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[-] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 151 points 1 month ago

I feel like unless you bought an Incel Camino or a brand new Tesla like in the last year, you really shouldn't be on the receiving end of quite so much hate, TBH. They were the car that finally got EVs off the ground as an acceptable alternative, so it's a shame early adopters are possibly being lumped in with MAGA truck owners.

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 64 points 1 month ago

Leaf was the first "off the ground". Tesla were the first to show that production EVs weren't limited to boring econoboxes.

Anyway, you can filter out early adopters because they didn't have factory anti-chrome, so if you see a shiny trim around the windows - it's probably got a pre-public meltdown era owner.

The leaf did such a disservice to EVs that the world would probably have been better off without it. It was ugly, it was slow, it had no range, it had no battery cooling so degradation was awful, and charging was slow to boot.

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 month ago

We wouldn't be here without it though. It did a decent job popularizing EVs, much better than i-Miev for example.

Would we though? The model S was only ~2 years away and that was the first EV people took seriously.

The leaf was affordable, but depreciation hit so hard that buying one new was only for actually insane people. And the battery degradation was almost as bad as the price degradation so your meh range became even worse. In ideal conditions it was fine, but anything worse and it was not a good option.

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

I'm not a time traveller so I can't say for sure, but cars lile Chevy Bolt and Renault Zoe wouldn't be the same, since Leaf showed that there was demand for small BEV hatches and battery cooling systems

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Most of those were fixed with gen 2 but the one the two that really matter were not fixed: no water cooling and the CHAdeMO charging. What is worse is that they still didn't fix it over the last 8 years with a newer generation when it was clear those were both nonstarters. Instead they came out with the overpriced Arya which is much worse than the competition.

But make no mistake, the Leaf back in 2011 was a game changer. It showed that your commuter car could very much be an EV.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

A lot of that is why I have kind of always resented the tesla marketing even before we k new musk was a hateful sexpest. My uncle had one of the early models before they added a lot of the safety features and it was REAL fun to go basically have instantaneous acceleration... and he would probably have died from that if he didn't die from cancer instead.

But very quickly they made the argument that people need giant batteries and massive range. And that still permeates today. And the reality is that, no, people don't. The vast majority of driving is commuting which tends to be more stop and go than not and just making charging stations in parking lots more ubiquitous would go a REALLY long way. No, not the super chargers. Just simple slow as hell level 1 and 2 chargers. And that would cover basically everyone 6.9 days a week outside of the folk with REALLY long commutes.

Where long range and super fast charging DOES help is for people doing long road trips and... folk think they are gonna be in their 30s and 40s driving 12 hours straight with only a stop to dump their piss bottle at a gas station. The reality is that by the time you are even considering a "new" car, you are probably also going to be more likely to stop for lunch or have kids to deal with where 30-40 minutes for a full recharge makes a lot more sense.

But instead we got into the mindset that you need a massive battery so you only charge up once a week and when you do it is a 10 minute recharge because even that is too long to wait.

I occasionally think of an alternate timeline where we realized that was stupid and instead L1/2 charging stations were a lot more popular and pretty much every major manufacturer switched to plug-in hybrids. Yeah, their battery tends to be shite compared to a "real" EV but people vastly underestimate how much you get from regenerative braking under real world conditions. Couple years back I had a rental toyota sedan and ended up driving all around Ontario for the better part of a week on like half a tank of gas and it was insane. And the needle literally did not move the entire time I was in Toronto or even frigging London.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 month ago

The only reason EV's never got off the ground in the US is because the auto industry was shutting that shit down every step of the way. Iirc a few people even got disappeared. There are numerous documentaries out there.

I agree though, going after regular folks just because they bought a car isn't cool. People should stay focused on the actual fascis7s.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Car dealerships are fair game I don't care what happens to cars there. But an individual's car, I wouldn't go beyond leaving notes on the windshield, otherwise you're just making people angry for no good reason. Before 2020 a lot of people may have bought a Tesla and while Musk was always fishy, at the time it wasn't any worse than most other car companies. And not everyone can "just sell" their cars. Cybertrucks though... These are actively dangerous and disabling them is a matter of public safety 😝

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[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Disappeared? The oil and gas industry has been making people disappear for profit since before automobiles became a thing. This industry will murder you if you're actually competition or inhibiting them.

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[-] Rinna@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tbh there was also a time where I was under the assumption that all the big car manufacturing CEOs are probably not much better, Elon was just stupid enough to be open about it. For that I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt unless they recently got a Tesla brand new or have the PS1 graphics car.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

ive seen people around my area buying new teslas as of recently including the truck, they know full well elon is capable of, they just seem ignorant to his politics. also the fact the teslas as QC problems people are ignoring, going back all the way before twitter purchase. on reddit people were buying the truck as way to get attention, so im not surprised they are this ignorant.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

I'm kinda conflicted about this. On the one hand, selling a car takes time and energy, and might not necessarily be feasible to do in just a few months, especially since the market for em is going to SUCK. On the other hand, if you continue to drive a car from a company owned by a literal Nazi once you know, then... well I don't feel too bad for you.

[-] doughless@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I switched to EVs in 2014, and went fully electric in 2018. My problem is that there still isn't a good alternative I can use for long distance trips for my family of 7. I'd love to switch to something like the Kia EV9, but I almost have my current car paid off, and can't afford another $80k car. I'm conflicted, because I don't want to switch back to a gas car, and I believe my current power company is on track to be 50% sustainable/renewable in 5-10 years. I feel like it could take me years as opposed to months to find a replacement EV that works for me.

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[-] xye@lemm.ee 65 points 1 month ago

People showing exactly where they draw the class line in here lmao

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 month ago

Anyone got the address? I want to add it to my block list so I never get tempted to visit it.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

I went here https://dogeque.st/

Wherr there is the onion link dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion

[-] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Holy, I did not quite expect to have an interactive map. o.o

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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

I fundamentally disagree with doxing regular people. It's one thing if it's a public figure who is actively antagonizing people and using anonymity as a layer of protection against repercussions for their awful acts. But publishing the names and addresses of people who simply bought a car is not something we should be doing.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Normally I'd agree.

But, I don't really care anymore.

One side has crossed all sorts of lines and now pushback is happening. Innocents always get caught up in situations like that.

They can sell their Teslas.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Isn't this just class infighting though, something completely against the benefit of the workers so the owners can continue to pick our pockets while we aren't looking?

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

It's never class infighting when you are attacking class traitors. They are free, of course, to stop being class traitors.

Same logic applies to cops.

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[-] Goretantath@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Not when that part of the class is determined to ruin everyone else in the class. Nazi's aren't a part of the community.

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[-] NeonNight@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago

This is gonna be the thing that splits the left into “fuck yeah burn them” and “this is going too far” and then nothing will get done because we’ll focus too much on infighting. Can’t we all come together for something not stupid like destroying random people’s cars? If you’re going to take drastic measures, at least do something more productive. Throw a Molotov at your representatives’ cars instead. I have no tears for a burnt Tesla, but I wish people were using this energy to punish more deserving people in more meaningful ways. I’m still waiting on all those “Luigi copycats” people keep thinking are gonna appear

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 31 points 1 month ago

I’m still waiting on all those “Luigi copycats” people keep thinking are gonna appear

There's been 2 attacks on CEOs since... The copycats are appearing.

[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Billionaire Media just learned not to sensationalize them.

[-] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

My friend told me about this show he was working at. It was a pharmaceutical meeting with lots of c suite execs.

They told him to not mention to anyone that the execs would be there on account of "recent news".

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[-] dryfter@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

I'm indifferent on unsold Teslas being targeted, not like law exists in this country anymore. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I am absolutely 100% fucking appalled that people would be ok with doxing Tesla owners. These are real people with families who now have to fear for their safety because they thought it was cool technology when they bought the car. They also may not be able to easily afford to sell the car and buy a new or used one right away.

This does nothing good for anyone and hurts any resistance movement and sadly makes any resistance look like it lacks empathy for fellow human beings just like how what the right is doing shows they lack empathy.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

The article doesn't say if it's targeting recent Tesla buyers or all owners.

Most current Tesla owners are not MAGAs and bought when they were marketed as a green vehicle.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 month ago

Musk has been acting nazi for quite some time.

[-] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I think most people weren't fully aware until recently. You had to be active online or actually look for information to see it was more than just rich billionaire syndrome. We all live in bubbles and some people didn't get to hear about all the details with the 2019 pedo submarine incident Nowadays it would be very difficult to argue you didn't know but bought a Tesla because it's in your face.

For context, the model S was first sold in 2012, the model x in 2015, model 3 in 2017 and Y in 2020.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So the model 3 was released when he was a Trump advisor, and the Y when he openly started spreading conspiracy theories non stop.

As for the "we didn't know" excuse it's as bullshit now has it was in 1945.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

The energy is good, the aim is shit.

Children.

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