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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) by Showroom7561@lemmy.ca to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Hey folks. I've had an on-again, off-again relationship with Linux for over 20 years. Usually, my attempts to use it are either thwarted by issues installing, issues booting, or general problems while using it... leading to “catastrophic failure” that I can't fix without digging into hours of research and terminal commands.

Windows 11 (even 10) are rock solid for me, even as a very heavy multitasker. No crashes. No needing to reboot, unless I'm forced to with an update, and really no issues with any hardware or software I was running.

But with Linux, I just can't believe how unstable it is, even when I do the absolute basic things.

I'm trying to learn why this is, and how I can prevent these issues from coming up. As I said, I'm committed to using Linux now (I'm done with American software), so I'm open to suggestions.

For context, I'm using a Framework laptop, which is fully (and officially) supports Fedora and Ubuntu. Since Fedora has American ties, I've settled with Ubuntu.

All things work as they should: fingerprint scanner, wifi, bluetooth, screen dimming, wake up from suspend, external drives, NAS shared folders, etc. I've even got VirtualBox running Windows 11 for the few paid software that I need to load up from time to time.

But I'm noticing issues that seemingly pop out of nowhere on the software/os end of things.

For example, after having no issues updating software, I get this an error: "something went wrong, but we're not sure what it is."

Then sometimes I'll be using Firefox, I'll open a new tab to type in a search term or URL, and the typing will "lag", then the address bar will flicker like it's reloading, and it doesn't respond well to my mouse clicks. I have to close it out, then start over for it to resolve.

Then I'll open a different app, sometimes it might open, sometimes it won't.

Or an app will freeze for no obvious reason, and I'll get a popup asking to wait or quit.

Another time I left my computer while I went out for a walk, came back, and it was like I just rebooted... all my work was gone, and it was starting fresh from the login screen.

I'm trying not to overload things, and I'm doing maybe 1/5th of what I'd normally be doing when running windows. But I don't understand why it's so unstable.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

FWIW, I'm not keen to switch away from Ubuntu, because I do still want official support if there's ever a problem with getting hardware to work.

UPDATE: Wow, I did not expect to get so many responses! Amazing!

Per suggestions, I ran a memtest86 for over 3 hours and it was clean.

I installed Fedora 41 and am now setting it up. Seems good so far, and elevated permissions can be authorized with biometrics! This was not something I had to. Ubuntu, so awesome there!

Any specific tips for Fedora that I should know? Obviously, no more Snap packages now! 😂

UPDATE 2: Ok, Fedora seems waaaay more stable than Ubuntu (and Mint). No strangeness like before... but not everything works as easily. For example, getting a bridged network adapter to work in virtualbox was one-click easy on Ubuntu... not so much on Fedora (still trying to get it working). And Virtualbox didn't even run my VM without more terminal hackery.

But the OS seems usable, and I'm still setting things up.

One thing I have noticed, however. When I search for how to fix or do something, nearly all websites and forums reference Debian/Ubuntu commands, so the fragmentation there is a little annoying

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[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

Could this be a snaps thing?

I despise snaps and left Ubuntu for that reason. I don't remember the specifics but I think even after installing firefox with apt it somehow get's magically switched to a snap.

I daily drive debian on a t490s and it's rock solid. There's just no way anyone could consider this set up unstable.

In recent years I've found most of my problems come from the fancy new packages. In order of reliability I find that it goes apt > .dev > AppImage > flatpak > snap

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'll likely be downvoted for this, but if you're committed to Linux, you might want to reconsider using Ubuntu (or Fedora for that matter). Ubuntu has a well-earned reputation for trying to make things "easy" by obfuscating what it's doing from the user (hence that useless error message). They're also a corporate distro, so their motivations are for their profit rather than your needs (wait 'til you had about Snap).

A good starting distro is Debian (known for stable, albeit older) software. It's a community Free software project and the 2nd-oldest Linux distro that's still running as well as the basis for a massive number of other distros (including Ubuntu). The installer is straightforward and easy too.

Or if you're feeling ambitious, I'd recommend Arch or Gentoo. These distros walk you through the install from a very "bare metal" perspective with excellent documentation. Your first install is a slog, but you learn a great deal about the OS in the process, ensuring that you have more intimate knowledge when something goes wrong.

[-] wckring@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

The latest arch with archinstaler is actually very straight forward from boot to full desktop install. It just does not have a gui for installation. Very ligh, minimum packages by default but works great.

[-] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago

What are you talking about being downvoted for that. Ubuntu is not well-liked and switching it out is a common suggestion.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

I don't know what to tell you. I've been shouted down more than a few times for suggesting that Ubuntu is a bad gateway distro.

[-] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

ironically, I think whining about anticipated downvotes for expressing the most mainstream sentiment is worthy of downvotes

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[-] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, Ubuntu is really corpo these days, tons of bloat too. I avoid it like the plague.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I do appreciate the reply. I'll check with Framework to see how well Debian is supported. I might just go that route. I don't need anything fancy or cutting edge, but I do need stability.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

There's a saying: "Don't break Debian." It's considered among the most stable options, and that's in part because of its extremely long test cycles (which can come with its own set of problems, on occasion).

I do find it curious that you've chosen to divest from even American FOSS projects. Like, Microsoft makes sense; they have no qualms about doing whatever they want with user data for profit, which inevitably goes towards billionaire machinations. But why draw that same line with FOSS?

[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I know some people are suspicious of fedora specifically because of its ties with IBM.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Honestly, not knowing enough about how linux distros are funded is part of it.

And the second part is more "If I'm going to commit, I might as well start off with something I can live with through whatever geopolitical wars we have to endure." My preference is to remove as much American influence from my life as possible, including the OS and software I use.

This is the only reason why I'm moving away from Windows, because it's served me well.

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[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

FWIW Debian isn't a non profit. Debian is not a legal entity period. It receives funds via the Software in the Public Interests, which also holds the copyrights, but the project itself just is. It's probably the world largest, longest running, self organized affiliation group.

Also debian testing is a fine rolling release. maybe sometimes a bit slow on security updates, but for a workstation that isn't exposed to the internet, and using flatpaks for browser it's mostly a non issue. That can also be mitigated by installing security updates from Sid. And secure-testing release take care of the most critical issues as well. If you avoid the couple's weeks right before and after the freeze, it's generally stable enough.

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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Running a framework 16 with FedoraKDE and before that a 4gb ram 2015 toshiba satellite (in 2024) running Fedora (regular Gnome) and haven't had one of these issues. Most issues I have had were caused by me, every now and again I run into a regular old bug in something and half the time that gets fixed pretty quick.

I wish I could help, but we just have opposite experiences unfortunately. That said, because of this I don't think it's "linux," or I'd likely have at least similar experiences.

OH for a while I did have a bug where VLC would stutter playing video and nobody had a fix, so I uninstalled/reinstalled VLC and it works now. Idk, I've had shit like that happen on windows too though, it's basically the software version of power cycling hardware when it acts up.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 16 points 1 day ago

It’s certainly weird that you have these issues on a Framework + an officially supported distribution.

Does it really run flawlessly on Windows 11? Because we have Framework 13’s at work, which run W11 and they DO NOT run flawlessly.

What about a fresh installation of Ubuntu? Do you have issues then? It could be some kind of configuration that you do, that screws with your system?

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 day ago

People downvoting a post asking for help have very weak egos. I hope you’re able to find a better Linux experience, OP.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

This has not been my experience. I'm not on Ubuntu, but OpenSUSE and NixOS. Everything works and operates as expected everytime. The only issue once was nvidia driver updated versions before kernel did and I had to reboot to a previous snapshot and wait a few days till the kernel update was released to work with whatever happened to the driver. But 8 years of a dependable system otherwise

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago

This blows my mind, honestly. Since I moved to Linux about 8 years ago, I've had little to no issues. No force of nature can ever make me go back to Windows and it's constant crashing for no reason. I run PopOS on a PC, Fedora Workstation on my laptop, my wife is also in Fedora, kids too (Nobara), and everything works. Mind you, the only device that is "made for Linux" is my laptop.

Your experience is very out of the ordinary.

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[-] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

Another time I left my computer while I went out for a walk, came back, and it was like I just rebooted… all my work was gone, and it was starting fresh from the login screen.

Well, I'm pretty sure I had this happen once or twice in the recent past after wake from suspend I think, but it might be that my CPU is just one of the faulty intel ones.

Either way the rest of this does not reflect my experience at all. Try distrohopping, I feel like you'll find one that you like and doesn't have these issues. openSuSE is always one of my suggestions, it was the one that I used for a long time when I started out as well, but tbh I'm out of touch with the more mainstream distros, I've only touched Gentoo and NixOS in the past >5 years. (I also specifically recommend against using Ubuntu.)

Then I’ll open a different app, sometimes it might open, sometimes it won’t.

Or an app will freeze for no obvious reason, and I’ll get a popup asking to wait or quit.

Check journalctl --user, and also htop, specifically the process state, for the last one (you mention a NAS, is it perhaps stuck on IO? I'm in a fucked network where that regularly happens with my NAS.)

[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Usually, my attempts to use it are either thwarted by issues installing, issues booting, or general problems while using it… leading to “catastrophic failure” that I can’t fix without digging into hours of research and terminal commands.

This was my experience as well ... 20 years ago. I've not had many of these issues over the past few years using any distro. I used Debian for a couple years and now I'm on Arch. Really, it just works for me...

TBH now that I think about it, I ran in to more issues with Ubuntu than just simply using Debian.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

it sounds like something underlying is wrong, so would test everything that is underlying your system.

a memtest is the easiest first check. i wouldn't rely on the one that's on your system since it could be bad too, but it's still worth it give it a try since it only takes a few seconds. if it finds anything, then there's definately something wrong with your hardware.

instead, i would rely on a usb stick with the ubuntu image you downloaded. first verify that the checksum for the ubuntu image you have on a trusted computer is the same that ubuntu has on its website. then copy it to your usb stick and then use memtest from there. if it comfirms that your ram is okay, use ubuntu's installation tools to verify that image on the usb stick is good; google or deepseek can show you how with easy to copy/paste commands.

in your shoes, i would re-install because at his point because then there's confidence that the base steps are verified and should be working correctly and then you can move onto othere testing strategies if you continue to experience the same behavior.

It's purely anecdotal but every time I've used an Ubuntu based distro it has been unstable or it nuked itself after 6 months to a year of use. I've been on fedora for 2-3 (4?) years now and I've not had a single issue apart from the Nvidia drivers behaving wonky sometimes.

[-] Alaknár@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

Had the same feeling about Kubuntu. Absolute shit-show.

Went through Tuxedo OS (technically also Ubuntu based) and was very happy until Heroic and Steam blew themselves up when I installed a dGPU, then switched to Garuda (Arch based) and so far, so good.

[-] FoolishAchilles@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Unrelated to OP—

This community is the fuckin sauce! Y’all really jump in to support each other and it’s really cool :)

I just set up a usb boot for mint yesterday and am prepping my pc to switch once I feel confident enough about Linux. I’m starting to gather that will be much sooner knowing the community is here to help out! I can’t wait to get all my services switched to FOSS alternatives.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

NAS shared folders

now that is something that can easily make the system unstable, especially a laptop that will disconnect from the network at least ince in a while. my experience is with KDE, that if there's an unresponsive SMB mount 8n the filesystem, the whole KDE plasma environment fill freeze left and right, maybe with the exception of the window manager. but I have experienced this with other programs too. I suspect they all do filesystem accesses on the main thread and that's why when a directory read hangs, they can't do anything even handle clicksuntil the read times out.

its infuriating honestly, in a sense. of course, I have got all my money back lol. but it's like nobody is testing software with SMB shares, but I guess probably same goes for NFS, SSHFS or anything remote

[-] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I work in a small lab. Our systems are controlled using two computers that run 24/7. The main real-time control stack is open source and open hardware. I happens in a Linux box that runs NixOS. I would trust my life to that machine and fly it to the end of the universe and back again. It just never fails. We can even run updates while everything keeps running undisturbed. Some devices need drivers that only work with Windows. The second computer runs those under Windows 11. In contrast we have to babysit that machine constantly, USB connections are unreliable, things fail randomly. When we have to update, the world comes to a halt. It‘s an amazing difference.

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[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago
[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I did a full memtest and chkdsk BEFORE installing Linux (I'm dual booting right now), and things were fine. Again, I only seem to be having issues in Linux, not Windows (native or through virtualbox!).

Even just now, Digikam is crashing, but it won't let me force quit (waiting just brings up the window again).

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[-] 0xtero@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

If it’s for work, I’d suggest using whatever works for you best. Sounds incredibly frustrating so I don’t know why’d you be so set on ditching windows. Use the tools that work for you. Having said that, I’ve been running Linux since early 0.99 kernels and Debian since 1.3 and stability is really unmatched these days.

Your screen flicker issues with browser sound like hardware acceleration related bugs and I’d hazard a quess that random freezes and reboots have something to do with graphics drivers as well. But of course it’s impossible to tell without logs, which you didn’t provide.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I use Debian on an old Thinkpad and (mostly) don't have such issues. Installs and upgrades in particular work fine. I had probs with the wifi driver on my x220 but it works fine on the similar t520. Framework might be trying to do too much.

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