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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

The plan would replace the $600 million in subsidies Denmark gives the island each year

The Donald Trump administration is reportedly considering giving about $10,000 to each Greenland resident as part of its plan to annex the island.

The possibility would seek to replace the $600 million Denmark gives the territory in subsidies every year, and has stopped being mere rhetoric to become official U.S. policy, according to The New York Times.

The outlet detailed that the plan already includes several cabinet departments and that the White House's National Security Council has met several times to advance on it, recently sending specific instructions to different offices.

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[-] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Typical out of touch rich boomer thinking. That anyone can be bought. That everything is a matter of cost.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Or that 10k is remotely enough.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

And...then?

  1. Greenland still belongs to Denmark even if you give 99999999 gazillion to each Greenlander

  2. I don't think anyone in Greenland is dumb enough to sell out their country for 10k to then live in a country where you will pay out of your ass in taxes, handing those 10k right back to the IRS in 5 years tops.

  3. Greenlanders would have to call themselves "Americans" henceforth, which is considered an insult and lower class of civilization world-wide.

[-] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago
  1. If Denmark doesn't recognize Greenland's self-determination then they are hypocrites.
  2. Maybe maybe not. He could also give them way more. There arent a lot of people there.
  3. Being an American means you don't care what the rest of the world thinks about you so this point is moot.
[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 1 points 2 weeks ago

Denmark does recognize Greenland's right to self determination. They can leave at any time they wish, but overwhelmingly voted to stay, several times.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Actually, greenlanders have polled and voted to become independent as a supermajority, they just haven't started the process of independence yet.

I expect that the process towards independence for greenland is going to be delayed in light of recent events though. I can't imagine they'd want to go through with it right now

Either way, Denmark has come out and said in the past that they will respect the wishes of greenland

Edit: here's a recent poll I believe https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/virtually-no-greenlander-wants-to-join-the-us-poll-finds/

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes Greenland wants to be independent under the terms that Denmark continue to pay huge regional subsidies of more than 10k USD per capita per year. On top of paying for official functions like police and defense. While still being tax exempt.

They don't want to pay for any of that themselves.

Apparently the only thing that keeps Greenland part of Denmark is money.
And AFAIK Denmark gets nothing in return.

If this support for more than a hundred years, doesn't make Greenlanders feel as if they are part of Denmark, then I don't see why we should keep supporting them.

Yes we made mistakes in the past, but good luck finding someone else to support you, that display greater respect for the autonomy of Greenland.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not the money as such but Greenland not being ready for full independence. They don't want independence to leave them worse off, poorer, as a playing ball of larger powers, etc.

Basically Greenland is a 30yold guy living with their parents figuring out how to get their own place. They aren't thrilled about the situation, but the parents are tolerable and it definitely beats being homeless.

Denmark gets a friend out of this, and a good conscience. Also, business opportunities. Applies to Europe in general, I very much doubt Greenland will go for independence without joining the EU. Not only would it provide safety, but it also means sovereignty while still being able to draw on cohesion funds.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I very much doubt Greenland will go for independence without joining the EU.

Greenland actively chose NOT to be part of EU!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union

after gaining autonomy in 1979 with the introduction of home rule within the Kingdom of Denmark, Greenland voted to leave in 1982 and left in 1985

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Support for re-joining increased form 40% to 60% from 2021 to 2024.

Main stumbling block has always been the fisheries policy, same with Norway, Iceland and the Faroer, and while truth be told the CFP really needs reform it also has lost much economical importance for the countries. Well maybe except the Faroer.

Greenlanders and Faroese are still EU citizens, btw, by virtue of being Danish citizens, with all the privileges that entails. That kind of special status won't be possible upon independence, it's going to be all-in or all-out. Ask Brits how losing EU citizenship feels like.

[-] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re correct and this is likely what the current administration will do. Hell, if 10k isn’t enough they could up it to 100k since there are so few people in Greenland. Maybe even more.

Denmark has stated that they will honor a referendum if it comes to that. That was before the US wanted to annex the territory but it’s still true.

The US can and will try to simply buy Greenland and it’s fairly likely to succeed in my view.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Lmao they want no part of America

[-] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. But I think you’re underestimating how much people like money dude.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

That’s barely any worthwhile money. I think you really overestimate how much ten k means to people - especially when it means being sucked in by a failing capitalist system.

[-] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you read my comment I said it will most likely be significantly more than that. If 100k isn’t life changing money to you then you should factor in your own privilege into this argument.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I think becoming part of America against your own will is more “life changing”

[-] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

It’s like talking to a wall.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] LimpRimble@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Would that even pay for the first year of medical insurance that you will need?

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The insurance? Sure, it would easily cover that.

The cost of medical care, even with insurance? Not even close.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

And he'll totally get that money out to you any day now. The check is in the mail.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That won't even cover the costs of moving to a non-fascist country.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lol yeah 10k in american healthcare is like 1 insulin shot 💀

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

The fuck?! As if Kalaaliit culture is worth only 10K to each person. US can get stuffed. Culture is priceless.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

He spent 250k for banging stormy Daniel's.

[-] pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Think about all the fucking starbucks you can buy with $10k! That's like a coffee and bagel everyday for a year. Fucking startbucks man! C'mon it'll be great

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

If it makes you feel any better, America doesn't care about their culture and only wants their natural resources and strategic location. Oh wait, that probably won't make you feel better.

[-] libra00@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Right? I'm American and even I wouldn't take that deal. Mind you I'd take the money, but then if you want me off my land you're going to have to have a conversation with Mr. Glock.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

Mr Glock, Mr FAL, Mr M2 Browning... choices could be endless :)

[-] libra00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nice. I just have a G19gen4, a heavily-customized AR15 that a gunsmith friend built and tuned specifically for me, and a Saiga 12g (with the crazy Latvian slugs that shoot through engine blocks.) I feel like they cover all the bases. ;)

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Real pro move is Greenland makes completely open borders, offers to bring anyone up there who wants to move to the US and make them citizens of Greenland and then get an agreement that every Greenland citizen has to immediately become a US citizen.

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Why do we need Greenland? Is it so we can easily attack Russia or something? Isn't Alaska pretty fucking close? Like what is the reason for annexing Greenland?

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

There is a shipping route opening up that would enable Asian-Europen-American trade via a about 2/3 shorter route than currently possible. It would make any route through the Suez canals or around Africa pointless. This might not sound important right now, but it would fundamentally change the fortunes of countries and reshape the world.

https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/future-northern-sea-route-golden-waterway-niche/

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Greenland and all the areas surrounding it know this. They will not be giving Greenland to America.

[-] SaladKing@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Who in their right mind would trust the US right now? Or ever really…the US undid so much precedent over the last few months that it is laughable to even consider trusting them.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

Even before that, who would want to be in part of America by choice? The health care horror show and massive inequality are but two reasons.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Why so stingy? The Greenland population is about 56,000. You could offer every Greenlander a million dollars, and it would only come to $56 billion, still a bargain in the grand scheme of things. If you actually want to buy someone's country out from under them, that's the kind of money you need to be talking about.

[-] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

A million? In this economy? I'd want at least $100m to sell out my own country.

[-] And009@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

No one wants America

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

This is the same government that brought us the Louisiana Purchase and Seward's Folly, both of which were really cheap land grabs. They just need to find a quasi-official way for someone to accept the terms and then execute the terms by force. The $10,000 agreement is their legal shield for taking the land by force.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's not the same government though. The Alaska purchase was in 1867. The US has an entirely different kind of government than it did back then. And we're in an entirely different historical era. You can't just blindly assume what worked in 1867 is going to work or be remotely applicable in 2025.

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, jesus. Of course it's not the exact same government, but it's America and America is comprised of people and people are fundamentally the same as they were 200 years ago. Ignoring that, this will work because if anything Land Grabs are waaay more common now than they were back then.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Land grabs are more common now than in the 19th century? That's just completely false. That was the age of Manifest Destiny and overt colonization by European powers. Conflicts like Russia's invasion of Ukraine are so notable because they are so rare in the modern era. Today, global powers are more about economic influence, trading relationships, and economic spheres of influence. Turns out it's a lot cheaper and more efficient to just trade with people than to pay for the huge expense of maintaining an old-fashioned colonial empire. Look at China. They're expanding their influence through their Belt and Road Initiative, not through outright conquest and imperial subjugation. Or look at the US trade and influence machines it built after WW2 like the WTO, the World Bank, etc. It is very very rare for the great powers to outright seize land anymore. The US doesn't need to conquer Congo and become responsible for its people in order to gain access to its resources. It can just cut a check for them.

And no, it really isn't the same government. The federal government in 2025 has an entirely different relationship with the US population than it did in 1867. Hell, the entire way the US conducts military and diplomatic policy changed after WW2 and the dawn of the atomic era. The US hasn't formally declared war on anyone since WW2, when previously it was the norm for every conflict. Programs like Social Security or policies like anti-drug laws would have been unfathomable to a US citizen in 1867.

And if you want to say it's the same people, it really isn't. We're not the same people we were then, culturally or genetically. Even just ethnically, we've had so many waves of immigrants that our ethnic admixtures have completely changed. That's to say nothing of how much our norms and culture have fundamentally shifted. Try explaining gender nonbinary people to someone from 1867.

Look, I get it. It's tempting to adopt the old world-weary saying that nothing is new under the Sun, but I don't see how one can possibly look at the monumental changes in global technology, history, and culture over the last century and a half and conclude that things are basically the same. If nothing else, the introduction of nuclear weapons fundamentally changed the way the great powers manage their affairs.

Yes, you can be incredibly pedantic and say that, "well, human nature is the same, so fundamentally nothing has changed." But at that point you might as well be arguing that the US and ancient Babylon are the same country.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I read someplace that theres about 17 trillion in minerals and oil in greenland. ~57000 population of greenland, so paying for just the mineral wealth not the land and other resources, he'd owe each inhabitant about 298 million. each. So he's paying them 1 /30,000th of what he should be offering.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Whatever the actual net value is, it's not that. There isn't just a 17 trillion pile of minerals sitting somewhere on the surface.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah Greenland is actually in a tough spot. It has a lot of economic potential, but it can't unlock it without completely upending its own society. There are only 56,000 Greenlanders. If they wanted to expand mining enough to be economically self sufficient, they would need to bring in so many people that the existing population would become a minority. They would have to become an Arctic Dubai.

This is also why they don't want to be annexed by the US. (Even if the US still had sane leadership.) Once you're part of the US, any American that wishes can move there. Any American company can set up shop there. The existing society would be completely overrun.

[-] Skunk@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

And it would be an ecological disaster.

Not that the Trump administration nor mining corporations care about that, but it would suck for the Greenlanders and our planet.

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