Yeah AFAIK the only two DEs that fully support Wayland are the big two - Gnome and KDE. and a few tiling window managers like Sway and Hyprland.

I look forward to a world where all modern DEs are fully supportive of Wayland like Cinnamon and Budgie and I know people love their xfce.

I think Wayland just attracts trolls in the same way as systemd does.

Wayland is already ready and majority of linux desktop users are using it without issue.

Yes it's been stable for some time with a couple of caveats - you need a decent graphics driver and not be using apps with edge cases.

Here is a simple example of an edge case and it's not hard to find people blaming Wayland even though with some thought this was a security issue - apps like Zoom, Discord, MS Teams want to do screen sharing which is easy in X11 because it has non existent security - just steal the screen bitmap. That's a problem.

Wayland (the protocol) provides no means for one app to grab the screen, or other apps. This is by design for security. Instead the app must be a good citizen and send a "i want to screen cast" message to the xdg-desktop-portal (a service provider implemented by GNOME, KDE etc.), the desktop asks for user consent and then the app gets a video stream. So it's a lot more secure but it requires the app and the WM do things properly.

Desktops and apps have matured and these issues are thankfully going away. I think the biggest hurdle left is proper graphics drivers, especially the problem of getting NVidia drivers working.

My biggest issue gaming under Wayland is the fact that certain games can't capture the mouse when run full screen with multiple monitors. I've got a number of games that exhibit the issue, but the easiest way to experience it is to try and run CS2 as wayland native (so not under xwayland - As the performance overheads running xwayland are notable running CS2) - Within 10 mins you'll be looking at the ground with the mouse pointer on your secondary monitor.

Furthermore, running gamescope doesn't fix the problem - And yes, I'm running the correct commands under gamescope.

I mean - This is basic functionality that should be an integral part of any modern OS. Under X11 running the same dual matched monitors everything works perfectly with great FPS.

i deleted the x session files so they don't show up in my greeter. They got annoying by now, for me. I used to shit on wayland, but it's inching closer and closer to being usable. and i use an nvidia gtx 1080, so that's saying something

Something similar happens to me on my desktop (debian 13) - it goes black then brings me back to the login screen. But in my case it's probably the nvidia drivers (proprietary). Not certain, though. Still happy on X11 for the meantime.

Like what? (Curious)