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Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg's plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.

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[-] nthavoc@lemmy.today 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?

The DNC is dead to most USians, the party leadership just refuses to acknowledge it even when their candidates and strategies lose to literal outright fascists.

No, this is the bare minimum I will accept in order to not consider the DNC my enemy.

Burn it down.

Also, age isn't the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Dem insiders just don't have the same values as their erstwhile voters

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Dem insiders are criminally corrupt scabs who are largely to blame for fascism.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Also, age isn’t the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.

They're not exactly the same thing, but they're certainly correlated.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?

Well when people called it out, Reddit and Lemmy said anyone who saw this was:

  • Antisemitic for not wanting murder
  • A Tankie/Russian Bot
  • Somehow wanting Trump to win by having better candidate to win against Trump
  • Sore losers who didn't like a "fair" election like Trump
  • A Bernie bro who hates $THING

If you look at the lemmy.world modlog, so many people calling out this were removed and banned, and then the userbase acted dumbfounded when the legitimate users were "quiet" after being banned, so it verified their bias of "everyone who disagrees with what my favorite political tells me is a bot/troll".

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I agree, I lost a huge amount of respect for the people running and moderating lemmy.world after dealing with their reactions to people simply upset that a genocide is happening.

I had an interaction with one of their mods and it was very disappointing to see them so confidently on the side of silencing voices speaking up about genocide.

Sometimes I get the feeling lemmy.world is run by a bunch of centrists who's hobby it is to undermine leftism because they are afraid of leftwing beliefs exactly the way pathetic conservatives are, and it makes it hard to take the entire community seriously.

Some of the prominent very active low effort posters like Pugjesus have absolutely trash views when you actually get into a conversation about their beliefs.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

I had an interaction with one of their mods and it was very disappointing to see them so confidently on the side of silencing voices speaking up about genocide.

Was it JeffW or JordanLund? Both of those dudes can't help defend genocide. Especially JL, he openly hates Black Lives Matter.

Sometimes I get the feeling lemmy.world is run by a bunch of centrists who’s hobby it is to undermine leftism because they are afraid of leftwing beliefs exactly the way pathetic conservatives are, and it makes it hard to take the entire community seriously.

And they call us the Russian Psyop/bot. I've had so many people say things like "I'm a leftist, but [defending the most conservative positions possible]." At least .ml is honest in their intentions.

Some of the prominent very active low effort posters like Pugjesus have absolutely trash views when you actually get into a conversation about their beliefs.

And he's so fucking smug! He will defend his trash opinions, say he's the smartest one in the room, and then act like he's the victim when he says something like "I don't think you should ally with these people when ICE comes knocking" or "I don't have to respect the pronouns of people I don't like."

Lemmy.world is a majority of my blocklist. I like a handful of users from it. But the mods and admins have cultivated a inverted MAGA mentalitt around themselves. Anytime you critize their favorite thing, you'll be banned and blocked. And then they claim it's evil when .ml does the exact same thing.

[-] SleepyBear@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Im gonna agree and disagree at the same time. Money and party ideology are absolutely problems within our political systems, BUT age is also a huuuge problem. Its in my opinion if we had a majority of the dem party under 50 we would have seen such a better fight against this fascist bullshit. Hell even a republican party thats led by a significantly younger majority may have even helped to prevent this as well.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.

Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.

No action. Ever.

They are complicit.

[-] mapmyhike@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

How can you say democrats don't do anything?

[-] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

God the 2nd pic is cringe.

[-] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Why this is not brought up every other day whenever Schumer or Pelosi think they are out of touch, I will never know.

[-] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

First picture is Democrat Lollypop Guild

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 1 week ago

“We can’t upset the fascists! We have to think of decorum!”

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Might as well make a bet if the sun will rise tomorrow.

If they fought against fascists like they do to progressives, Trump wouldn't have had any chance at even the nomination in 2016.

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 11 points 1 week ago

Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards' teeth down their throats.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

What the FUCK did they think would happen after the most catastrophic election loss in a generation? The DNC and Democratic leadership should have enough of a sense of the gravity of the situation we’re in to resign in shame. Instead they have the audacity to complain?? Seriously, understand how big of a failure you’ve been a part of and actually DO SOMETHING to help solve it.

[-] freshcow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's campaigns. The same Democratic party leadership that cares more about stopping Bernie Sanders than about stopping Donald Trump. They know who's side they are on, and it's not the same side as you and me. The Democratic party is unfortunately rotten to the core, and it's all about the money. Imagine the concept of regulatory capture applied to politicians broadly and you will understand the modern Democratic party and the state of our government. We need a party built from the ground up to represent the working class, whether it be from the ashes of the Democratic party or otherwise. Primary them at every turn or run independent campaigns where feasible. The other challenge is that mainstream media is owned by the same corporate masters, so it will be an uphill battle regardless.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's campaigns.

Yes but no. The people who won the party leadership elections a few months ago are not neoliberal establishment dems. They're the kind of people who would, for instance, spend 20 million dollars to primary ineffectual establishment democrats.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Hogg is. They made all the DNC leaders sign a no-challenge pledge recently. Every one of them signed it, except David Hogg.

Also, notably, he isn’t doing these primary challenges in his official DNC vice chair capacity. This is on the side as part of his PAC initiatives.

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[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Useless old parasites upset they are being dislodged from the host.

[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 7 points 1 week ago

The old moderate Democrats are not going to change...they keep trying to reach conservatives in a "middle" that keeps moving right. I'd say getting Democrats elected, then replacing them with better democrats in future elections would be the way to go, but there's something to be said for getting nowhere with the same.old.people.in.the.same.old.positions.election.after.election.and.never.gaining.a.meaningful.majoritye. Either the positions or the people need to change. Since the existing people are not willing to change their positions on the issues, people must be the next thing to change. The party needs to progress into the future, with younger, more vital blood.

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[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…

All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.

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[-] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I think it’s safe to say that the ancient Democrats who’ve been holding onto their seats by sheer force of incumbent political influence, contributed to turning Hogg into a school-shooting survivor. Obviously Republicans bear more responsibility thanks to their gun/violence fetish, but these Dems wouldn’t be so angry if he hadn’t touched a nerve. They’re clearly afraid of young people with new and rational ideas.

I hope these young’uns keep at it, their passion and drive is inspirational. Since the geriatrics in power clearly can’t smell their own bullshit anymore, fuck em. No one is entitled to power, you have to earn it like Hogg has through his dedicated activism. His organization has helped pass more than 250 gun safety laws, for example. He’s actually doing shit.

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If it has to be democrats instead of a new party, this is literally the only way to make it work.

Good Job David Hogg and Leaders We Deserve, hope you oust a ton of these ancient shitbirds.

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[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

We've been past the fume stage for a fucking while

[-] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Good fucking riddance, if they wanted their seats they should have defended our country and stood against nazis.

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

LO AND BEHOLD M'LORD.

I was just talking about how the dems are ineffective and have no strategy, and here's another one to add to my list of sources.

[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.

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[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Frankly this is a good idea in the long term despite a possible short term loss.

The Tea Party hurt the Republicans in the short term, but they took over the party and purged the liberal elements. They replaced Eric Cantor with a speaker who does everything they want. They’re a monolithic block now and have been winning out on their strategies ever since.

AOC ousted 10-term congressman Joe Crowley in a primary by a huge margin. A few more of those couldn’t hurt.

[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We should be doing this to every single motherfucker who clearly is doing insider trading.

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