Oh man... you're basically speaking directly to why I made our small community (consider this a personal invite). As I said elsewhere, I find Lemmy actively hostile.
The number of indignant replies and comment-free downvotes we get inundated with continually is… disheartening.
People want content, but actively detract from any content that doesn’t explicitly cater to them. It’s hard to take.
And we're happy to have you!
Absolutely! It's the first community I've run on Lemmy, so I'll definitely have to pull from how you post it if that's okay.
Maybe something like: "If you like Casual Conversation instead of Competitive Ranked conversation, try !casualconversation@lemmy.world !"
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
Most likely they'll continue to heavily downvote me when I describe the complex communication systems plants and fungi have.
The internet existed for a long time prior to monetization of it. People used to do things because they were good ideas, fun, or helpful.
Revenue streams made things worse.
If you have nine apples and one banana, how many bananas do you have?
All I could find were places talking about them, not the actual messages themselves. Was it clear that he knew they were underage before he started hitting on them?
Well, no, I didn't ignore anything. I disagree about the stance being valid from the get go and felt the point defeated.
Let me try again: You can lessen suffering, but you can not eliminate it. Your existence causes suffering. All existence does. Everything alive is only alive because it feeds off other living things who have their own way of existing. A suffering being a style you choose to not recognize is not only not a valid defence, it makes you just as guilty as those you attack.
Disregarding your more purposely inflammatory statements against other users and trying to stick to the logic of the situation, your stance has been "Being vegetarian / vegan is eliminating suffering and therefore should be the end goal." Is that not correct? I'm not arguing in bad faith like many here or making a shitty "bacon = good" joke. I want to make sure you're not being misinterpreted when I tell you that your argument is flawed and factually incorrect.
If you want to be vegan because you enjoy it? Go for it. That is inarguable.
If you want to be vegan because you feel it's healthier? Rock on. Go you. You may be right if you carefully monitor your diet. I would argue against it being better than vegetarian however.
If you want to be vegan because it's easier on the environment? Yup. You could make a good case that it would be better for the planet, but only because we're overpopulated. A smarter case to make would be for a reduction in humans. Being vegan is a very minor step of harm reduction compared to fewer people.
If you want to be vegan because you don't like factory farms? That's not a logical jump to make. There are plenty of smaller suppliers you can procure from that do not have those issues; the smarter jump is to just not use bad providers no matter what the product.
If you want to be vegan because it's eliminating suffering? Nope. You're just making substitutions for things you're comfortable with. Bad logic. Bad argument. You're also applying your own morals (because this is a moral standpoint) to other people, which is stupid no matter who is doing it. From anti-abortion activists to Muslim extremists, your morals apply to you and only you. Do not try to enforce them on the outside world.
If you want to be vegan because it eliminates death? That's also a moral argument. In fact, in the short term and per unit of death, being vegan adds MORE deaths, they're just not a style you choose to recognize. Not to mention that increasing the crop yields to make up for the caloric deficit created by meat vanishing would also potentially kill the planet at this stage of human occupation. Crops that are easy to grow, less destructive to the land so they can grow it again immediately after, low maintenance, and cast-offs from other production are where animal feed comes from. This stuff could not be fed to humans or are excess.
And the way you're going about it isn't helpful to your cause. A better outreach for you would be to use the Food subs and post legit great vegetarian food and entice people that way. Doing it this way will accomplish nothing of value unless you secretly work for a factory farm and want to piss people off so they eat more meat, in which case you are doing exactly what you should be in this thread.
That one article, yes, but there are more. I trust you know how to use search, but: https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm We've known for a while that trees do this, and fungi are notorious for this.
You, like many users on this thread are ignoring the evidence because you don't like the outcome. You not understanding the pain does not mean no pain. Life for some means death for others. Period. You can not avoid it on a micro or macro scale, all you can do is change WHAT you kill.
Your example has the dark, but none of the humor.
Oh man... you're basically speaking directly to why I made our small community (consider this a personal invite). As I said elsewhere, I find Lemmy actively hostile.
The number of indignant replies and comment-free downvotes we get inundated with continually is… disheartening.
People want content, but actively detract from any content that doesn’t explicitly cater to them. It’s hard to take.