[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

True, while a lot of it is clearly for business purposes. I may have been flippant stating their blue water navy stuff, that absolutely won't sell, is just marketing material. In truth, their blue water Navy moves which only began like 10 years ago or so is in fairness quite impressive. They've created large destroyers that the US is saying is on par with Ageis and aircraft carriers that have shown similar sortie rates to UK's carriers. If it really was just for show as I'm trying to say, it would have probably been more like Russian equipment. What with their sole aircraft carrier constantly catching fire and their stealth fighter jet that they're scared to put into the front line. The fact that China can demonstrate the equipment working on a fairly consistent basis in different weather conditions should tell me they're much more serious about all this than I give them credit for.

That said, this shift is too new to know what they're really thinking. Plus, they absolutely have been parading around the Type 55 to future prospective buyers of their equipment. Yet there's also clearly some movement towards actually being able to use this stuff. For example about 4 years ago, India showed off to the world that they could operate both of their aircraft carriers simultaneously. Something that at the time at least China was unable to do. However, last month they sailed all three of their carriers out simultaneously. Clearly this is an attempted signal that we do have enough trained officers and we're not just building equipment without training soldiers.

China's just done the this stuff is for sales for so long it's honestly hard for me to see it any other way. On top of them actually doing the training starting so recently that it's hard for me to say this is a permanent shift and not just a way to throw off the comments from India mocking their training.

All in all, this IMO is why China was befriending Russia to begin with. China has powerful technology, but ironically they don't have the bodies to put behind them. The one child policy has basically made every parent in China refuse to let their kids become soldiers. Russia on the other hand seemed to have a limitless supply of bodies to throw at a problem as they're doing in Ukraine. With China's best friends constantly facing off with terrorists, Pakistan, Myanmar, Saudi Arabi, UAE, Egypt and many more I think it made perfect sense China wanted access to Wagner to deal with this. Then, uh... Well Russia PROVED they have the bodies to throw in the grinder because they threw the bodies into the grinder.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

I consider myself center right actually. I'm sure you've noticed I'm very pro-business. Though socially far left as I think people should have the freedom to express themselves however they choose, that's really none of my business. But perhaps that's why you're not as freaked out as I am. Because the reason I think I'm center left is because I'm pro-business. Watching the supposedly pro-business party light itself on fire and commit to incredibly un-business friendly decisions, especially based on personal feelings and worse anti-LGBTQ reasons it has put me into despair. Who's here to protect businesses and make sure that the government doesn't overreach? Our deficit spending is already almost 1 trillion dollars in payments a year, that's insane. Cooler heads need to prevail and we need to get our economy back to normal. And part of to normal means normal trade with everyone. But who knows, like I said, maybe I'm over thinking it.

China will never attack Taiwan. I don't know why people think they would since they keep telegraphing what they'll do if push comes to shove. In the event that Taiwan declared independence and only in that situation (and Taiwan wouldn't, they just passed a law that states the president can't make that declaration alone) would China blockade Taiwan. They would try to starve Taiwan out and they could because as an island nation it's entirely dependent on imports. The question people actually need to ask is who would be willing to go to a hot war for that? Especially since China would make exemptions to let trade through anyway, that they would only have this blockade here until Taiwan submits. And then you'll have another frozen stand off like the one you have now. Because that's what China really wants. They don't want change they want stability. As you've so aptly pointed out, they are a patient people who are in no hurry for things to change. And you know what's really really sad? How the west had twisted Xi's words to make it out that he wanted to declare war. When Xi said the Taiwan situation will be resolved in this decade, what he was saying is he thought the relationship was going so well that Taiwan would wish to return to China willingly. You see at that time trade between the two was at a high point. People from Taiwan were going to China to get educated and find jobs there. Then the US started saying those were fighting words and that it meant China was going to attack to reunify within the decade. That China was only building up it's military to do this, the attack would come before 2027. I think you know what happens next.

USA's MIC is terrifying. They create scenarios and publish them and the news media gets ahold of them and suddenly fear is created everywhere. It just starts off as scenarios, they see one country has an advantage and then a torrent of articles will come out about it. Suddenly, now you have a new enemy. All China was doing was building up because as you said they're building up because they're wise. Well actually for sales, they really really want to be big in the arms market but that's another thing entirely. And now we have what we have. This awkward stand off where there are no winners. And it's all very sad really.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

You bring up a great point. I do wonder about Kamala's small business exemption. I do hope that passes, but I'd bet money it'll go the way of Obama's healthcare plan. Which is it'll pass in a horrible form that won't help anyone. Oh god, just remembering that makes me upset. The Republicans claimed that they wanted to protect the free market healthcare system and the ONLY THING they removed was the free market part of Obama's plan. That still gets under my skin.

I realize, you have the same opinions as I do, except you don't seem to be as terrified of the outcomes as I am. AND I'll say, perhaps you're right. And even if you're not, perhaps I need to stop fretting about it as a whole, not exactly much that I can do.

So a bit of my own background. I'm Taiwanese American. This China hawk stuff scares the ever loving shit out of me. For reasons that has nothing to do with China. I fear the racism that this can create or has already created. The average American doesn't know the difference between Taiwan and China and the hate just spreads from there. Don't forget, Chinese people used to have to wear shirts in California that said don't spit on me I'm Chinese.

Ultimately, I as many Taiwanese people agree believe that USA needs to stay the fuck out of it. They create issues and problems that they do not understand. The Taiwanese vote actually shows that, though you'll never see it reported in a US newspaper. Taiwan voted in a Pro-US president and a Pro-China congress. We want stability and standing in the middle we believe is our best bet. But it would be super nice if USA stopped focusing on us. ESPECIALLY because the US politicians mostly just use it to enrich themselves rather than actually helping us.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Who keeps down voting you? It's weird. It's not me. But I noticed someone seems to keep down voting you. I upvoted your post to try to counter act that. That's annoying since they obviously even part of our conversation. Anyway, I hear you and what you're saying. The problem is I don't see it. Let's take tariffs for example. I'm opposed to tariffs because it's a market distortion, and we've always known that. Which party do I vote for to stop tariffs. And not just on China but in general. We should be promoting free trade, after all that's what made USA great to begin with. Yet now that our manufacturing isn't up to snuff we decide that the solution is tariffs? Look at what happened to the Russian Lada. In the end the only way to keep that company running was to stop the tariffs and start buying foreign products into their production.

But that's just one example. Obviously the cease fire is another and so on and so forth. Yes, there are minor differences in policies, but none of the ones that I really care about, save abortion (I can't even believe that's a thing right now). But the problem is the parties use these tiny differences to pretend that they're different. Where's the policies to support small business? What about giving small businesses a tax break so they can catch up?

I'm sure we can all find those pet issues that they do fight over, but that's their trick. They go out of their way to force you to focus on the small things and ignore the bigger issues. It's not new, but OMG is it spreading like wild fire.

We are a nation based on trade. If we destroy our trade, we destroy the fabric of the nation. And everyone is so focused on destroying trade.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

That's sort of besides my point. And yes, the situation is wildly complicated and there are no easy answers.

What I was pointing out is simply for many policies there are actually no options. Such as wanting a cease fire. But this could go on with others like not wanting tariffs or lowering the military budget etc... Particularly for foreign policies both Democrats and Republicans are pretty much exactly the same.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

So you think giving people freedoms to drink and go to bars is a bad thing?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-opens-first-liquor-store-rcna135597

And yes I'm fully aware of Khashoggi. What I'm saying is all people all governments have good and bad. I can easily agree with many things that awful people do. It doesn't make them any less awful, but I'm not so ignorant to be opposed to something just because an awful person says it.

So to hate a good idea just because of it's messenger is ignorant at best and harmful at worst.

The reason I bring this up is because in USA it's becoming more and more like this. That regardless of what the policy is, the only thing the stupid politicians care about now is who the messenger is. And it's doing incredible damage to the country.

Now, obviously you're just making a statement. I don't really disagree with it as I think MBS is a horrible human being. But I really don't like the idea of agreeing or disagreeing with someone based on the person saying it.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

It's been like this since the beginning of human societies. And every time the people in charge keep lying and convincing it's citizens it's way more than just a game. Last century it was religion, this century is human rights.

The only consistent mistake is the stupid citizens buy it everytime. You've just woken up. Hate to tell you, it never gets better.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Only in times of war. It's literally one of the checks and balances to specifically prevent a president from stopping an election. Now, if we start a full blown war with Russia...

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

I'm curious. When you read articles about how great the economy in the US is and it's just the voters that don't understand, do you agree? Do you believe the US government no matter how badly they do? If you don't believe the US government on this, why do you believe what their propaganda says about their enemies?

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Unfortunately I can't find articles talking about bed sharing without it being from western media. It's obviously not something that's news worthy to begin with. I only know this because of my friends from the Xinjiang region.

The problem with the concept of cultural genocide is that there's a culture to genocide. Culture is defined by the situations and effects of the moment. Culture changes, ebbs and flows. The Menorah is as much a part of Jewish culture as the Torah. But the Menorah was created out of what we today would call cultural genocide. You can't genocide culture that idea is ridiculous, instead the culture will adapt and change with whatever is happening at the moment.

The question then isn't is there cultural genocide, but what if anything we should protect in a culture. USA used to have a culture of racism, we obviously went out of our way to "culturally genocide" that. Should we have not done that? Should the fact that it was part of our culture mean we should protect oppressing black people? In reality, by our own definitions, some cultures do need to be genocided.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I hope you're actually curious about the events that did happen. Because I'd love to tell you about them. And yes, this is the actual position of the Chinese government.

The protestors eventually got violent and started violently attacking the police and military who were sent there to quell the rebellion. For peaceful protestors, explain to me how they destroyed several armed military vehicles in this picture.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-05/4/13/enhanced/webdr11/original-22678-1462384475-3.jpg

BLM protestors couldn't even destroy police cars, let alone a column of armored vehicles.

Now, admittedly the terrified and violent over reaction by the Chinese military and police from this situation was horrible. China continues to refuse to disclose exactly how many people died from this. Which is what all the calls on China's evil censorship is about.

However, as unfortunate as it is, and I do personally believe thousands were killed. The police and military are human. They were terrified of a group of terrorists who were able to destroy and entire column of armored vehicles. Does that excuse their over reaction? No, but could I understand, unfortunately yes.

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