[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Right wing people tend to be subservient and just fall in line and vote Republican. People on the left tend to be less pragmatic

People are always saying this, but is there actually evidence that it's true? The Libertarian Party regularly gets more votes than the Greens, so if anything it seems like the opposite is true. Ross Perot got the most votes of any third party candidate in history, and in both the elections he ran in, Bill Clinton won. In 2016, Trump refused to rule out the possibility of a third party run if he didn't get the nomination, and it appeared to be a serious possibility.

So is this claim just based on vibes or what?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Looking forward to the grand American tradition of having candidates accuse each other of doing good things while vehemently denying the other's slanderous accusations that they would ever do anything good.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

No, it's literally what you said. Is what I described not a counterfactual?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah no shit, but the number would be even higher if fewer people were vegan.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

I'll add to that as things are getting worse, fewer and fewer people are going to go to bat for the status quo, making the situation unsustainable. The status quo is what created these conditions in the first place, and if there isn't at least a reasonable pathway towards addressing the various crises and underlying problems, it should be considered a non-starter.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Yes, it would be bad to start another war somewhere else.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

The word "privatization" originates with describing the economic policy of Nazi Germany

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

That's both not true and also not what I asked. The UK has a king and noble family, does that make it a feudal system?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Authoritarianism becomes necessary as you move toward the extremes because you have to coerce some people/classes to accept the system.

Why is this only necessary at the extremes? I don't want to accept the current system I live under, but I'm coerced into complying with it through force (police).

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

So... you're owning the right by pointing out that they don't misinterpret something you think they should?

This take was a miss, sorry.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Hillary Clinton thank you for bringing that up. What do you think the window would be if Hillary Clinton won? Easy, it would be further left. You’re making my case for me.

Instead Trump won and guess what happened to the Overton window? It went off the cliff to the right. And it’s still there because he won and could win again. You’re making this too easy.

It is, in fact, very easy to have a conversation when you're only having it with yourself.

If you agreed with everything I said, do you think that would make you more correct or less correct? That's right, more correct. Therefore I'm right. You're making my case for me, this is too easy, blah blah blah.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Sure, there could be some specific cases where they're correct. But if you can't say anything about elections unless it's generalizable to all circumstances, then you can't say anything about elections at all. I'm speaking generally.

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