[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't see why we should accept the NDA practice in the fediverse. We've been naive in the past, now I would avise way more caution.

To me signing an NDA or refusing to sign the fedipact would be a red alert for the platform.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Meta cannot harm you by federating. If they want your data that you posted on kbin then they already have it. They run curl and they can swallow all your posts and metadata associated. Whatever you post is given for free to everyone with an internet connection.

Also Meta probably will never federate since it involves a huge risk that they will end up hosting illegal data against their will.

edit: also think in legal terms, meta will never publish content on their site if a federated server hasn't signed a mountain of legal documents beforehand. It's simply not happening. I'm only speaking on a user level. If our admin adopts a pro-facebook stance then of course it's a different story.

edit: The more I read about this the more doubt I have about this story. It seems that kbin still hasn't signed the fedipact? It's becoming a big deal and it will affect kbin even if we adopt a neutral stance. There is in fact no more neutral stance. We should sign.

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It's tough to restart a community from scratch and I was wondering what was your thought process.

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The upvote system is way too rudimentary to work efficiently. The upvote incite people to post to become more popular, not to post more interesting content.

One metric is not enough, the upvote system combines both "funny" and "interesting" in the same metric. Soon it's the funny content that is pushed to the top, because it's a more common characteristic. But this is how you get memes, emotional and basic screenshot of tweets to the top of the frontpage. And this is probably what you don't want.

So either we add more type of votes,for example two arrows, like an arrow "interesting" and another arrow "funny" or we get rid of them, leaving only the "report" button.

Get rid of reputation too. Some people are already chain downvoting in rage. What good do you think will happen out of a reputation score? People will just spit on you. People are emotional, don't put a gun in their hands.

"The downvote is useful to get rid of antivaxx"? You have a report button for that. And while the downvote button gets rid of antivaxx, it pushes memes to the top, destroying the platform itself. The benefit of the downvote button doesn't compensate for the flaws of the voting system.

The best way for an antivaxx to get his content visible? It is to get blocked! If he is blocked he cannot be downvoted anymore afaik. So it's all good for him. Even the block system doesn't really work as intended and has nasty side effects. Because yes, you won't see it, but other will, and they will adhere, and they will upvote and post more antivaxx stuff, and inspire more antivaxx people.

And I'm not even starting with the bots and scripting systems, which will detect who downvoted you and will "revenge downvote" for you. Do you want all your post to appear with a starting minus 5 attached to it because you posted about veganism 3 months ago? That's what you will get. All it takes is 5 people who don't like the way you talk, and a script. And all your posts will go down the drain as soon as you post them.

--> The system need either higher granularity or we need to get rid of the voting system, and keep only one button: "report", with a mandatory 60 characters comment with it. <--

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Pinning what is relevant takes too much space. Do we have an alternative?

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For reddit and twitter it's also induced by the threat of AI. Twitter and reddit host a lot of content, organized, sorted, coherent. It's invaluable for training an AI and these companies don't want to let it go for free. They want control over it, therefore they are making it very hard for AI companies to farm their content. The fact that it's happening now is because AI companies are probably rushing to copy as much data as possible before laws are voted to put a limit over them.

It will be the same for the fediverse, our content will be scanned by AI's. Our content is freely visible, organized, sorted and scored. We should be careful about that. If you are not a professional publisher or a public person then you should probably think about rotating your username as often as possible.

edit: But also, with the rise of tiktok, a lot of countries are now suspicious about the soft power of those apps, and are ready to legislate against them. The EU already did, they did vote fines against them and are regularly getting money out of them. The taboo is gone, you can attack those companies, it works. They were supposed to be out of reach, but they are not.

Also there is no genius in Twitter, as far as I know they have no patent over anything. If someone manages to become more popular than them on the same principle then twitter is done. Gravity will do the rest and users will move to a different platform. People are using it because people are using it. So the model is fragile and the value is questionable.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't want to be "this guy", but what we have here is a screenshot of a ~~Tweet~~ post without even a link or a date. It's the best way to go back to the same old system that we have left behind us. This is whitepeopletwitter in a nutshell.

Edit, seriously it looks like you framed a "motivation speech". Just post the link to the text, don't screenshot a text, we cannot do anything with it. We have the tools now, use them

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Remember Terminator 3? When the army is about to free skynet to defend against an external virus?

This is now, they are going to remove the moderation tools, the bots are ready to devour reddit.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Reddit can bot comments then Reddit can also bot moderators. Come on, don't be lazy Reddit! Show us your leadership capabilities and come up with a solution!

"How to sabotage your community: 101"

Red Hat is taking notes.

The person speaking was Laura Nestler, here is her bio from REddit:

Laura Nestler, Reddit's VP of Community, is a global leader with a 15-year track record of building strategic, high-impact teams and scalable community systems at growth-stage startups. Nestler leads Reddit’s Community Operations team where she is responsible for defining our international community strategy, driving key initiatives for community development, evolving Reddit’s community governance model, and transitioning the team into a global organization. Prior to Reddit, she served as Global Head of Community at Duolingo, working across product, marketing, and strategy to develop community products and programs.

She is a global leader, guys, with high-impact teams! She will solve the crisis in no time, you'll see! Is there anyone among you who can claim to be a "global leader" ? No one?

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago

They wanted out anyway, Microsoft wants control and they were using Reddit just like DJI is using reddit: they were a bit forced to follow. This is a perfect opportunity to leave and make the support happen on their own platform. Other big brands will be inspired and will leave reddit too.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

Hiding voting metrics and mitigating clout chasing behaviors allows platforms to prioritize quality and relevance.

The exact opposite happened on youtube. Once they hid the downvotes we were unable to recognize relevant content from clickbait.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

I received a response from Reddit pretty quickly after submitting it. The response told me that I must delete all of the posts and comments beforehand. I'm pretty sure this is in violation of both GDPR/CCPA as it might be physically impossible for a user to delete, say, one million comments. Of course, this ignores the fact that Reddit already restored all of the data that I've deleted.

No tool from reddit allows you to delete all your comments. Reddit doesn't allow you to map all of them. You can check by yourself by searching manually in a search engine for your username and reddit.com. You will see a lot of your comments which are not shown in your comment interface.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Don't make it too easy.

Turn the nsfw on.... then turn it off. Then turn it on again... then turn it off.

They very likely have a detection, just mess with them a little bit.

[-] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Stop giving them content for free, they are milking you like cows. That's why they are restoring your deleted content, because they are making cash out of your messages. Leave reddit behind and enter the fediverse.

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No need for them to chase the next big platform like reddit/facebook/google+, and no need to create "official accounts" on each.

I see that DJI has a sub on reddit for example, but you need to register an account on reddit to post there. With the fediverse, you as a customer need only one account and you could access the instance of multiple companies. DJI could run its own instance, make their rules, federate whoever they want, (will probably allow respectable instances only, like what kbin aspires to be) and that's it, they don't have to adapt to the changing rules of reddit, of twitter, of facebook. They have one point for publishing, with full control over it, with video, firmware downloads, tech support, etc.

It's so much easier for them. A perfect neutral territory, no weird jurisdiction, no worries of being muted by a Trump for example who would impose a boycott like he did on Huawei.

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Someone here already has 12 subs on his own. We would be inspired to avoid the era of the power mods. Moding should involve an interest, not just collecting rings of infinity like it's a gold rush. How can it be a good practice in the long term?

mentalhealth

shitposting

showerthoughts

linux_gaming

Stoicism

Philippines

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ArtificialIntelligence

Futurology

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by PabloDiscobar@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social

Your list of subs, in a grid make sure you set it to private

https://kbin.social/settings/subscriptions/magazines

The list of all subs, in a column, sorted by subscribers number

https://kbin.social/magazines

Your Inbox

https://kbin.social/settings/notifications

Your home, list of posts in your subs

https://kbin.social/sub

All, all posts from all subs

https://kbin.social/

All, sorted by new (aka "chaos")

https://kbin.social/newest

you can search by tags: https://kbin.social/tag/tech

You can see who upvoted and downvoted your comments in the activity tab of the "more" button.

You can block a domain like you can block a user. Either through the url::

Http://kbin.social//d/nypost.com

Or by clicking the domain name and then click the block button.

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