Hanlon's razor my friend. Till more evidence, they're just fucking idiots.

Edit: I reserved judgement, but after further reading, signs are pointing to sabotage, still, not conclusive.

Enjoy is a choice word, but you betrayed yourself when you said this "Ah yes Vine, definitely a relevant thing in 2023 that everyone references. Thanks for reminding me that Vine existed, I had actually forgotten."

Everything you've received, you invited, and continue to do so.

But go ahead, keep us up there, popping into your thoughts when you think you're happy, just to tell you this:

You missed a joke/reference, then got pissy. If this back and forth in this thread has caused you any turmoil, I'm sorry, but that's completely on you mate.

It's up to you to recognise that.

Take care bro, seems you have bigger problems than us.

X

You have a strange idea of what "the loop" is.

And you have no idea, keep up.

Just say "all the time" if your memory is that bad mate.

Aside from this, you out the loop a lot?

It's not meant for you. I can assume it's meant for people whom it does bother, and also don't know.

But what good is worrying?

Become vegan and actually act.

"But then you wouldn't get all worked up about it"

READ: "You're right"

Take care mate, it's only a post. Peace

Not bad, both easily plausible. Next time you disagree, offer a civil counterclaim and it's more likely to go down well.

How hard was that?

Seems like a fair assessment, even if it's unprovable. Not a bad heuristic to assume things get adopted from the biggest show to have ever aired.

You got a counter claim?

What's your issue with the info I posted?

Just in case the textbook anti-PETA rhetoric comes into the thread...

This is why people hate PETA.

Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.

Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:

Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. That's just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and "news articles" as well, so it's not always very obvious.

• nathan-winograd-in-perspective

• nathan-winograd-misinformation-machine

They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that's why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:

• [Their biggest victories] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/milestones/)

• [All victories sorted by recent] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/victories/) (several per week!)

• See also http://www.petakillsanimalsscam.com/

PETA and their kill-shelters:

PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can't adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more "hopeless" animals. See more here.

The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn't steal and murder pets):

A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer's cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn't wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That's why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html

The monkey selfie:

The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it's an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.

PETA equating milk to racism:

White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over "inferior" (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That's the reason behind their campaign on the issue.

Final thoughts (I promise):

PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.

Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I'm not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.

Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It's basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy's, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn't that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA's shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into "PETA is stealing people's pets off the streets" and Reddit gobbles it up.

The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, "PETA blasts child's bunny wedding!" But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the "journalist" reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, "we don't support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them." And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn't get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.

For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.

Info continued here if anyone is interested.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252698

Then.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252784

Then.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252805

Why'd you think PETA are awful?