[-] atomicStan@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Perhaps I should have been more clear. My apologies. I wanted to draw attention to the fact that -in the case of Fedora Atomic- layering remains a necessity (for most users). This thread goes over it in more detail.

flatpak

Technically speaking, the flatpak format isn't even as limited as some make it out to be. For example, software like Bottles have offered CLI/TUI functionality through it. But Flathub, its most popular storefront, does put a limitation on submissions. Which means that it's effectively not even competing with other package managers that (conventionally) try to offer a broader set of software.

Furthermore, even if the flatpak package exists, not all functionality is retained. For example, the situation around native messaging is still a mess. This prevents e.g. your flatpak browser from communicating with your locally installed password manager. While a(n ugly) workaround exists, it’s quite maddening that it hasn’t been resolved in all these years 😅.

distrobox/toolbx

This is actually a mess. See this comment elsewhere under this post for a bit more elaboration.

[-] atomicStan@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I didn't really mean it in the sense that the communities of different atomic/immutable engage regarding the trade-offs associated by their respective methods of achieving atomicity/immutability. And, honestly, I'd actually love to see more of that. Even if NixOS users would dunk on the rest, at least until the learning curves are brought up.

Instead, what we often find are unproductive threads like this one 😅. In which, naysayers and proponents act like they're engaging, but I simply fail to understand what's happening.

[-] atomicStan@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago

Not the person you asked. But the only thing I can think of, would be how the flatpak's sandbox might cause friction. Most of the time, you won't even notice it. But, once every while, it shows its ugly face.

For example, the situation around native messaging is still a mess. This prevents e.g. your flatpak browser from communicating with your locally installed password manager. While a(n ugly) workaround exists, it's quite maddening that it hasn't been resolved in all these years 😅.

[-] atomicStan@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

IIRC, historically, it was (one of) the first to do so. It took a significant time for (most^[Slackware, famously, continues to not have a dependency resolver. Though, they got their reasons.]) others to catch up.

still

Maybe. I honestly don't know either.

[-] atomicStan@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

First of all, I’m sorry I can’t provide you with a video; I tried attaching it to the post but won’t let me attach any other than photos.

Gifs work. There are some pointers over here.

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