Fair enough!

Maybe, I couldn't say if it's a premium for privacy, marketing, or what.

As for turning over data without a warrant, I don't have a problem with companies complying with lawful orders, as Proton does. I don't think there's any evidence to support the notion that Proton complies with non-legal or mere requests from LE. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't have an issue with telcos complying with lawful warrants, which is what Lawful Interception requires. but if your telco can only turn over limited amounts of data because that's all it has access to, then that's a plus.

Separately, do you have a source that telcos are unaware when LE is wiretapping? LE would likely need the assistance of the telco to do so and the telco should require the warrant.

I don't think this is really a replacement for the offering that Cape is proposing. Airalo are data only eSIMs and target consumers who need short-term data plans while traveling abroad. This is not a replacement of your primary carrier service and doesn't give you a phone number. Additionally, other than the transient nature of the temporary eSIM you buy, there are no notable privacy-focused features behind Airalo.

Not saying Cape follows through with its claims, just saying these are not really comparable offerings.

We can all condemn CP and rightfully so. But it's asinine to think you can break encryption and that only the good guys will be able to take advantage of that.

Don't think that happened yet when I commented, but there you go - just the justification the UK government is looking for.

True, expensive. Prosper to offset no selling customer data.

Yeah it looks like the cell network is the consumer facing product

Wtf? Is this real?

It’s insane how intense the UK is being about breaking encryption. I could understand the hysteria if they had just suffered a terror attack or something and were riding public outrage, but as far as I know this is just based on some nebulous national security/protect the kids justification.

It’s insane. The U.S. and E.U. are not doing any better. The west is becoming a surveillance state.

"Is any SMS/phone call coming out of your personal number something you should consider private from the government? Probably not."

Well your phone calls themselves -- the actual conversation -- shouldn't be accessible without a warrant for a wire tap, that's pretty longstanding precedent in the U.S. Cell phone location information is also protected by a warrant (Carpenter v. U.S.), but pen registers (logs of who you call) do not require a warrant (Smith v. Maryland). I'm not sure if governments are prevented from purchasing data from carriers, just as any data broker could do. Additionally, who knows if governments are secretly collecting phone call and cell phone data and storing it, but only accessing it once they have a warrant. It's impossible to know what's fully happening on the back end between big telco companies and the gov't.

Either way, at the end of the day, whether you have Cape or some other service, if you're at the level of the government getting a warrant for your data any legitimate company is going to comply. That's why the best thing is to have a company that can only turn over limited amounts of data because that's all they have.

I saw this video on YouTube with a rep from the company and while there were some positive things put forward, the biggest red flag to me was when he wouldn't disclose what networks they partner with. They are a virtual network so they don't own the cell towers, and that means they're running off someone else's. Why can't you say who? Other virtual carriers have no problem saying that they run on Verizon or T-Mobile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1C-bR728ro interview for Cape starts at about 30 minutes in. Ironically, the podcast is called "Snake Oilers" and it's a paid-promotion thing, sooooo take this with a grain of salt.