[-] det_nya_livet@aggregatet.org 1 points 2 months ago

Thank you for this - yes, I understand that this is a tall order, but I also can't help but think that most of these requirements are fairly common individually?

As for address stability, it would be good to have a point of contact that's easy to put on a website or flyers or whatever.

Thinking aloud here, I guess one option could be to have a signal account and a setup similar to what is described under the 'Start Your Own Announcements-Only Service on Signal' heading here: https://crimethinc.com/2024/05/27/the-sunbird-how-to-start-an-announcements-only-thread-on-signal-and-how-organizers-in-austin-used-one-to-coordinate-solidarity-with-palestine to be able to check the incoming messages from multiple devices. I guess some level of tech-savviness would be needed for the setup of multiple Signal accounts on a single machine if people are using their own hardware, but otoh it also means minimal setup for people contacting the organization. If more than five (max number of linked signal devices) people are responding to messages, group chats with the incoming user, the org account and the account of the person responding could be setup for searchability etc. This solves some problems but creates others...

[-] det_nya_livet@aggregatet.org 1 points 2 months ago

The issue you're describing is why I'm not keen on email, and why I mention Signal as an alternative I've considered - Signal is a user-friendly way of ensuring both encryption and that meta-data isn't accessible to providers on either end unless someone's device is compromised.

The reason I'm interested in encryption is that I want a higher baseline of security for these orgs. In a changing political landscape it is hard to say what may become sensitive over time. Hypothetically, if one of these orgs is distributing contraceptives internationally we want neither meta-data about who is contacting them nor message contents to be accessible to providers. Since encryption is a pain with email we can assume both are accessible to providers when using that. Ideally I want encryption to be an easy default for both the orgs and the people contacting them.

[-] det_nya_livet@aggregatet.org 1 points 2 months ago

Any thoughts on how to handle the encryption aspect here? :)

[-] det_nya_livet@aggregatet.org 1 points 2 months ago

Right, forwarders solves the password issue, but the encryption issues remains. Any thoughts on how to handle that? PGP in my experience is non-trivial to set up correctly, and even when correctly setup does not protect metadata.

[-] det_nya_livet@aggregatet.org 3 points 2 months ago

The purpose of the email addresses tends to be something like contact@example.com - it's the central place outsiders contact the org. A common way to work with it would be that emails are checked during the orgs weekly/monthly meeting, incoming emails are discussed, and someone is tasked with writing a reply with the group's response to the email. I haven't seen mailing lists being used for this type of thing, but I guess that could be a solution for the password sharing, but at the cost of having individual email addresses in-house - some type of individual accounts would probably be necessary either way to get away from the whole shared passwords situations...

The appeal of Signal is that it's managed and has some level of security by default. My impression of securely configuring email, in particular on someone else's hardware, is that it is very technically challenging, but it's also not something I've ever attempted. Would you say my impression is correct?

I'm slowly also realizing that this is probably also a key requirement for a lot of these orgs: they do not have dedicated IT people or a lot of cash. A lot of the time there's someone with some IT interest, but rarely with time or interest in long term admin-ing.

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A common situation in my life is the following: a small-ish organization consisting of somewhere from 3 to 50 people need some type of way to be reached as a group. The current solution is to have an email adress, normally with a password that is shared in some way among the trusted subset of members that need to be able to access the email directly.

The solution isn't great for multiple reasons:

  • Sharing a password among multiple people isn't great, 2FA is tricky
  • Most email communication are readable by the email provider, unless PGP is correctly used. For most people, PGP is non-trivial to use correctly, and meta-data will not be encrypted even with correctly used PGP.

But it has the following upsides:

  • A single stable address to reach the group
  • Communication is gathered in one place, searchable, possible to for multiple members to track communication with someone that has reached out.
  • Easy to use from any device anywhere

Ideally we'd like all of these things: sensible access controls, some level of transparency within the org regarding who has responded to what messages, an address that is easy to share with people outside the group, minimal (meta)data accessible by the providers, and easy to use across devices.

How do you handle this? What would your recommendation be? I have considered setting up a Signal account, but having multiple signal accounts on a single device is non-trivial, as is setting it up on a new device, meaning that probably each group would need a single dedicated device, which isn't super practical.

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