Definitely a help website that focuses on user level questions and not IT pro solutions is desperately needed. Today new users are immediately given misinformation by hard core Linux techies with no clue about usability or user level solutions.
Windows users have a variety of different skills and experience. I guess the most likely ones to try Linux first are not going to be the PC-fearing ultra-causal users, who probably follow what their friends do. But the more adventurous and curious ones, or IT workers.
If a user speaks a different language, good usability knowledge will tell you, change the software to help the user. Not change the user to help the software. The software is only there to make things easier for people.
As I said for many people, the tasks they do are not always possible or not easy with the CLI. Try drawing a curve, try moving an object from bottom left to a position higher up to the right. Even navigating a tree structure, common in many apps, it's easy to click on a chosen branch directly. Even with CLI options, more people, including CLI users, feel it's natural to use a GUI app to do their email, manage files or browse the web. There is a lot of learnability built in. Discovering new things by accident is a natural benefit. And a big downside of the CLI. Which is not THE natural way at all.
"The command line is the natural way of interacting with a computer."
It's not natural at all for many people. Far from it.
Sure there are some people who can't do anything. But there are a large number of full time computer users not in IT who know their GUIs really well. These are candidates to switch to Linux.
If you give someone a text string to paste in, chances are they won't be able to tell if it worked. They might need another command for that. And how can they undo that command? And the next time they need that command they'll have to have stored that command string somewhere! Which is why it is better to show them the option in their application GUI, as the GUI will provide feedback on the status. And makes it obvious how to undo the change, and they know where to go next time. Otherwise they are dependent on you forever. Also, I doubt if there are any text commands for most things I do on a computer.
You don't design a UI around the relatively few occasions when GUI help is too hard for some helper.
The shares are on a WD-MyCloud 4Tb off the shelf NAS. With setup page via a browser.
I've never found a GUI way to permanently mount a share. I hope someone develops one.
RcloneBrowser doesn't achieve any more than Dolphin and is not designed for normal users.
I'll be trying smb4k again. But it has not been reliable in past attempts.
Backup needs to be something straight forward for non IT users. There are real benefits to all, if more people use Linux and increase the market share. More drivers and applications for example. I find it strange that this is missing from Plasma.
Thanks I founf CIFS/smb on 35. It connected. Now trying to find out how to use the remote.
already have a working solution
The solution, as I posted at the start, is to do it with a GUI. So a script could never have helped.
Solving this and sharing it, will also help everyone who uses a GUI. Not just me.
Also, you might also be forgetting that I would have a whole lot more to learn as a non IT user. So a script would be a massive investment. And I will have forgotten it all again if I ever need to do another one in the future. I think that is unlikely. So a lot of effort for a one-off.
Also I'd need to have the script in the App launcher. Even if that is possible, it's yet more to legacy crap to learn.
Learning something useful is never a waste of time
Sure. I will happily spend my time learning useful stuff. I don't want to waste time using bad UX because something is broken in a strange domain. I want to discover and share a good solution.
If you are not in to usability that's OK. But this is a usability issue. A different world from yours. Software is there to help people. Never change the user to help the software.
Oh thats what that was. It looked like an error message. So I tried it. Horrible UX, and it did not have samba. I tried a few of the alternatives and it didn't manage to connect.
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It doesn't have to be zero effort. But it's good to have commands available for non IT specialists too. Where they don't have to learn IT or memorise complex commands or use an unfamiliar type of UI. Usability.
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My kids need to learn about backups. Backups should be easy. They are easy on Windows or Android. It could be easy on Plasma too.
Script them? That sound like a lot of IT skills are needed for that. I've never seen or used a script. Nor have my kids. Telling non IT users to do that is going to scare people back to Windows.
- You might be into IT tools, and not in to usability. But this is a usability issue. If I can find a GUI way that you haven't heard about because you are not interested in the GUI, then that is a benefit to Plasma non IT users, as I can share it around. Telling Plasma users to use another OS because Plasma can't do it is quite bad. Especially if it turns out Plasma 'can' do it.
I'm not 'scared of the cli'. I'm scared of wasting my time. I'm scared other people being told to use inappropriate tools and end up dropping Linux thinking it's a nerds OS. I'm prepared to put effort in, to try out lots of methods to find appropriate solutions. And share the results.
Thanks. I'm sure that is technically possible. However I'm looking for an easy GUI way to do this for non IT specialists. Plasma fails badly here. Unless I'm missing a trick...
Yes. For me, creating car body shells, FreeCAD doesn't come close. It seems most FOSS programmers don't need complex shape surfacing to scratch an itch, so that is a long way off. For now.