they can't know what we will buy before they make it. they manufactur on speculation.

I don’t really feel like a protracted exchange where you move goalposts around

this accusation of bad faith is itself bad faith

your theory and how pleased you are, now that it’s succeeded

you're putting word in my mouth.

Nobody is making up the crowd that pretended only Democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse.

yes they are, and if that weren't the case you would have been able to show it

The comment that started this accusation said:

Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…

which prompted the response:

Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …

and a furth explanation:

There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse

to which i said:

you’re making that up.

and the rest of the thread has been bickering about whether, in fact, they made that up. the accusation is that, since the election, the people opposed to genocide who wanted to exert electoral pressure, who were also people who were pretending only democrats could have responsibility AND that trump could not be worse, have since disappeared. i know that's a lot of commas. lets make this a bit clearer:

the accusation is that

there are people who

• (a)oppose genocide
• (b)wanted to exert electoral pressure on the democrats
• (c)were pretending only democrats could have responsibility
• (d)believed that trump could not be worse

and that those people

• (e)disappeared after the election.

what you provided was evidence that, in fact, those people don't exist, and to the extent that people who met criteria a-c may have existed (it's still not clear they held this belief prior to the election), they did not, also fulfill criteria (e).

so despite your aptitude for verbosity and markdown syntax, your comment is, also, not evidence.

edit: i made a few syntactic edits to this, but as i'm now reading it for the 12th time or so, i don't actually think we have evidence of anyone fulfilling criteria c in addition to a and b.

game theory doesn't determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior

then it should be easy to find your evidence.

I can't possibly prove something doesn't exist. You're claiming there is evidence that something does exist, it's on you to provide that evidence.

if it was so easy, you would do it and support your own claims. this is not evidence, it's hand waving.

can you show me?

you're making that up.

but cutting a kid off from their only known support system and jailing the abuser doesn't serve the kid or society, on balance. I want to fix the problem, but calling the cops just doesn't look like a fix to me.

I watched my dad get cuffed and taken away and he's an asshole but that didnt fix the problem. I leaned on my mom, moved in with my grandma, and I'm better for it. it's not clear this kid has an extended network that can help them make it better.

being in jail and paying fines didn't help my dad. the biggest best change I saw from him came from explaining the dsm npd diagnosis to him.

I want this kid to get help, but I don't think the cops are it.