[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 4 points 8 months ago

Huh wow didn't know Teams didn't have multiple screen sharing. Nice work.

Something does irk me about the whole approach, though. We have accomplished some amazing stuff in the software world. But Jesus almighty we have some serious interoperability problems, to the point where we literally just send pixels to one another because that's all we've got. Reminds me of that glib statement "the web has become just 4 websites full of screenshots of each other" (or however it goes).

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 7 points 8 months ago

Containers are used for a whole bunch of reasons. I'll address just one: process isolation. I'll only do one because I've ran into times when containers were not helpful. And it may lead to some funny stories and interesting discussion from others!

A rule of thumb for me is that if the process is well-behaved, has its dependencies under control and doesn't keep uneccesary state, then it may not need the isolation provided by a container and all the tooling that comes with it.

On one extreme, should we run ls in a container? Probably not. It doesn't write to the filesystem and has only a handful of dependencies available on pretty much any Unix-like/Linux system.

But on the other extreme, what about that big bad internal Node.JS application which requires some weird outdated Python dependencies that has many hardcoded paths and package versions? The original developer is long gone. It dumps all sorts of shit to the filesystem. Nobody is really sure whether those files are used as a cache or they contain some critical state management. Who wants to spend the time and money to tidy that thing up? In this scenario containers can be used to hermetically seal a fragile thing. This can come back to bite you. Instead of actually improving the software to be portable and robust enough to work in varied execution environments (different operating systems, on a laptop, as a library...), you kick the can down the road.

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 4 points 8 months ago

Hey mate thanks for writing all that down. Gives me a few ideas - in particular how NNTP could fit in to the equation.

LKML can be accessed by a usenet client at nntp.lore.kernel.org. In theory, then, it should be possible to at least read both LKML and ActivityPub stuff hosted at the same NNTP server. To get that working means making sure all the conversion and mapping of concepts are as clean as possible. It's a good test!

Thanks again!

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 4 points 8 months ago

This is interesting, but have you considered porting to Usenet?

Yes that's on the list! Now that I have a whole bunch of RFC822 files, (in Maildirs) I can also serve them over read-only NNTP. This was the original goal actually - I like the idea of using the simpler protocol NNTP over IMAP to read stuff.

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 12 points 8 months ago

The alternative is something like FediSeer where you can get sites guaranteed by others and block anything not given the all-clear, but that really harms the ability for new sites to appear.

If something like this were to gain lots of traction I'd hope it would be something not too difficult to implement by smaller new sites.

What really sucks is the situation with email now: it's really tricky to get stuff delivered if you're not Google/Microsoft. The barrier to entry is way, way too high :(

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 14 points 8 months ago

And ofc the extra spicy sms bridge where an AI gives you an executive summary of your memes for the day

needs more crypto

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 29 points 8 months ago

UNSUBSCRIBE

;)

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 5 points 8 months ago

UNSUBSCRIBE

;)

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 15 points 8 months ago

Thanks for replying from friendica! Confirming message received OK :)

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 15 points 8 months ago

Does it also send you an update of how many upvotes you get?

Well, I receive the corresponding ActivityPub "Like"s from the servers. But right now I just drop the message. I suppose that could turn into a mail message with a body like "user X liked your post" or something, but that doesn't feel like a natural mapping to me.

I'm also one of those people that hides upvote & boost counts in my Mastodon app ;)

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 40 points 8 months ago

Oh I stopped and thought whether I should. The answer was "probably not" every time...

[-] otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com 37 points 8 months ago

Excuse my ignorance but how will the fediverse defend itself against email spam?

That's a good question. Right now there's very little stopping people from spinning up some ActivityPub server and blasting out messages. I'm actually surprised at how little ActivityPub spam there is currently.

One of the awesome things about the fediverse is how anti-commercial it is right now. Maybe it's not a major target for spam because there's not a lot of money in it.

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What have I done?! My abomination of an idea of bridging my email and ActivityPub progresses. If you see this message, something is working! Comments replies are welcome as it's a good test of this system :)

People keep saying ActivityPub is a lot like email. If it's so similar to email, could I use my email client to interact with the fediverse?

Previously I did this by writing a SMTP interface to the Mastodon HTTP API. That worked. But as we probably know, the fediverse is not Mastodon; it's really ActivityPub. The real deal would be working with ActivityPub directly, not the Mastodon HTTP API.

And that's now (mostly?) working! In shonky diagram form, sending looks like this:

laptop --SMTP--> my_server --ActivityPub--> fediverse

Replies look like this:

fediverse --ActivityPub--> my_server --SMTP--> mailbox <--IMAP-- laptop

my_server translates back and forth between ActivityPub messages and mail messages.

For example given the message:

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:37:59 +1100
From: Oliver Lowe <otl@apubtest2.srcbeat.com>
To: localtesting@aussie.zone
Subject: test 2

test hello world!

The following ActivityPub message is created:

{
	"@context": "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams",
	"id":"https://apubtest2.srcbeat.com/outbox/1709703480070628170",
	"type":"Note",
	"name":"test 2",
	"to": ["https://aussie.zone/c/localtesting","https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"],
	"cc": ["https://aussie.zone/c/localtesting"],
	"published":"2024-03-06T16:37:59+11:00",
	"attributedTo":"https://apubtest2.srcbeat.com/actor.json",
	"content":"test hello world!",
	"mediaType":"text/markdown"
}

There's still a lot of bugs (of course) and unimplemented bits (of course). I can't call this a proper fediverse service yet. I'm going to roll with this for a bit and see how it holds up.

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