Here’s my cocktail suggestion:
50 Shades (Sam Bankman) Fried:
Ingredients:
Equipment:
Steps:
(Do not actually make this)
Summary point 5 is fun.
I conclude that the rate of criminal behavior amongst major philanthropists is high
Great!
which means that we should not expect altruism to substantially lower the risks compared to that of the general population,
Ok, not super clear what “the risks” are here. One interpretation is that they are saying “just because someone donates money doesn’t mean they aren’t a criminal”, which is correct. But it’s not clear! Anyway.
and that negative impacts to EA’s public perception may occur independently of whether our donors actually commit crimes (e.g. because even noncriminal billionaires have a negative public image).
So close! Why do “noncriminal” billionaires have a negative public image? It’s almost as if legality isn’t the decider of morality!
Perhaps one day EAs will gain class consciousness and a sense of morality beyond an uncritical elision of ethics via utilitarianism; we aren’t there yet.
Sociological Claim: the extent to which a prominence-weighted sample of the rationalist community has refused to credit the Empirical or Philosophical Claims even when presented with strong arguments and evidence is a reason to distrust the community’s collective sanity.
Zack my guy you are so fucking close. Also just fucking leave.
To unpack the post a bit:
So my understanding is that Yud is convinced that the inscrutable matrices (note: just inscrutable to him) in his LLM have achieved sentience. In his near-future world where AI can exert itself in the physical world at will and, in particular, transfer data into your body, what possible use does it have for a bitcoin? What possible benefit would come from reprogramming human DNA beyond the intellectual challenge? I've recently been thinking about how Yud is supposedly the canonical AI-doomer, but his (and the TESCREAL community in general's) AI ideation is rarely more than just third-rate, first-thought-worst-thought sci-fi.
also:
people keep on talking about... the near-term dangers of AI but they never come up with any[thing] really interesting"
Given the current public discourse on AI and how it might be exploited to make the working class redundant, this is just Yud telling on himself for the gazillionth time.
also a later tweet:
right that's the danger of LLMs. they don't reason by analogy. they don't reason at all. you just put a computer virus in one end and a DNA virus comes out the other
Well, consider my priors adjusted, Yud correctly identifies that LLMs don't reason, good job my guy. Yet, somehow he believes it's possible that today's LLMs can still spit out viable genetic viruses. Well, last I checked, no one on stack overflow has cracked that one yet.
Actually, if one of us could write that as a stack overflow question, maybe we can spook Yud. That would be fun.
FR: I originally thought this tweet was some weird, boomer anti-snowflake take, like:
In good old days:
Student: Why my compiler no read comment
Teacher: Listen to yourself, you are an idiot
Modern bad day:
Student: Why my compiler no read comment
Teacher: First, are your feelings hurt?
It took me at least a few paragraphs to realise he was talking about talking to an AI.
(pure sneer response: imagine I'm a high school bully, and that I assault you in the manner befitting someone of my station, and then I say, "How's that for a thought experiment?")
Here's the full text of the article, which, unfortunately, xcancel doesn't seem to support.
Full text in spoiler
I know a bunch of people who were involved or adjacent, including someone who accidentally got some footage. The summary below is based on talking to these people, looking at court documents, reading blog posts, etc. (I was also at the protested CFAR reunion and knew Daniel)More info at the bottom (especially for journalists who would like interviews)
Pre-2019 Curtis Lind allows people to live in trailers and containers on his Vallejo, CA property, initially offering affordable housing to artists, woodworkers, and electricians. Over time, some tenants stop paying rent and are later referred to as "The Cult" by neighbors. The cult consists of Ziz (Jack LaSota), Emma Borhanian, Somni (Alexander Leatham), and Gwen Danielson. Separately, at some point Ziz attends a workshop by CFAR, which is a nonprofit focusing on behavioral psychology and AI.
2019 November 2019: CFAR bans Ziz and Gwen from their alumni reunion, partly due to fears of violence. November 2019: Ziz, Emma, Somni and Gwen protest at the reunion with accusations of bad decision theory (it's complicated) and transphobia. (All four of them are trans). The protestors get arrested for blocking entrances (while there are children on the grounds) and wearing Guy Fawkes masks. They're released on bail.
2021 August 2021: Ziz advocates for "airlocking" (a sci-fi term for killing) various people in blog comments and claims many people seek "suicide by Ziz." Ziz runs a blog which appears to be the primary attractor for this community. They claim that people have two hemispheres, and are either non-good, single-good, or double-good (very rare, which Ziz herself is). Ziz advocates for a ruthlessly enforced altruism towards all living creatures, and to follow the principle that it’s never valid to surrender. She promotes the punishment of “non-good” people, particularly those who are not vegans. 2022 February 2022: Jamie Zajko, a close friend of Ziz, claims that Ziz threatens to kill Jamie, if Jamie does not kill Jamie’s girlfriend and provide proof of it. April 2022: Gwen Danielson, one of the protestors, stops appearing for court hearings, and their lawyer suggests they have died. July 2022: A different friend of this group commits suicide and cites ideas from Ziz’s blog in their suicide note. Ziz appears to suggest their ideas caused the suicide. August 2022: Ziz fakes her own death in a boating accident and stops showing up to court hearings. The Coast Guard conducts a search for her, but finds no body. An obituary is released. November 2022: Emma Borhanian is killed by Curtis Lind during a violent altercation at his Vallejo property. Somni stabs Lind with a sword, and Lind shoots both Somni and Emma. Lind is stabbed dozens of times and loses an eye. Lind’s account is that they had been threatening him for some time, and one day requested he come fix a leak. They hit him from behind, and when he woke up they were attempting to cut off his head (he has scarring consistent with this claim). He then shot Emma and Somni in self defense. His friend claims upon entering the trailer afterwards he found surgical equipment and chemicals he believes were intended to dissolve Lind’s body. Somni and Suri Dao are arrested. Ziz and Gwen are seen at the scene, alive. It seems likely Gwen had faked their own death earlier to escape court appearances, much as Ziz had. November 2022: Somni attempts to escape from jail (twice).
2023 January 2, 2023: Richard and Rita Zajko are found dead from homicide in their Pennsylvania home from gunshot wounds. Their daughter Jamie Zajko was associated with Ziz, and we suspect the homicide was an attempt to gain money (several million dollars) from inheritance. Police also suspect Ziz is involved in the murder. Police also suspect Daniel Blank, an associate of Ziz, is involved in the murder. Blank has not been seen since and we suspect he’s dead. January 13, 2023: Ziz is arrested in Pennsylvania for "obstructing administration of law" and "disorderly conduct." Ziz eventually makes bail (in June) and stops showing up to court. We suspect that the arrest was indirectly related the murders, and that the police didn't have enough evidence to make a full charge.
2025 January 17, 2025: Curtis Lind (who was set to serve as the primary witness in his assault case) is stabbed to death outside his Vallejo property. A man named Maximilian Snyder is later arrested for this murder. The previous year, he applied for a marriage license with a woman named Teresa Younblut, who was in contact with Ziz. January 20, 2025: Teresa Youngblut and a man named Felix Baukholt are stopped while driving by U.S. Border Patrol in Vermont. They end up in a shootout, and Baukholt and a border patrol agent dies. Police find tactical gear, firearms, and burner laptops in the car. According to the police, an unnamed person who purchased the firearms used in this shooting is also a suspect in the Pennsylvania Zajko murders. We think this is likely to be Jamie Zajko, given that the shooting is in the same town that Jamie Zajko has a registered address (Coventry, Vermont).
That's it so far. We still don't know the whereabouts of the people in this story who aren't either dead or in custody, and we sort of expect them to continue doing murders.
If you're a journalist and want to get in contact with people around the community/rationalist scene who knows the people involved, you can fill out this form and your contact info will be shared around our networks
My friend, trying to interview Lind about something else, ended up getting a bunch of footage of him talking about the attack. If you're a journalist or documentarian interested in this footage, please reach out to him here
The above timeline is collected from sources the community has accumulated here. It also has some high-confidence guesses made by people familiar with those involved. Please doublecheck all claims yourself.