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‘People feel drained’: anti-Trump Americans face temptation to tune out
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It's honestly the Democrats that make me feel drained. They're the party that ostensibly represents my political leanings, but they've spent the last year funding a genocide, cozying up to Republicans like Liz Cheney, and abandoning the economic populism that got them elected in 2020. If they were at least winning, ignoring progressives like me would be justified, but nope! They made an 80-year-old man their candidate without holding a primary, replaced him at the last minute with a candidate who didn't even make it to Iowa in 2020, and the walked into their largest electoral defeat since...what, 2004?
Trump is vile, and petty, and cruel, and I'm genuinely scared of the damage he'll do to our country, but that's what I expect from him. The fact that the only opposition party to the fascists is this group of cowardly, selfish failures is so demoralizing. If we can't wrestle control of the party away from these incompetent geriatrics, I honestly don't know if there's any hope for American democracy.
Yeah, this exactly. I voted for Harris and I'm furious at the party for being allergic to victory. By becoming so centrist they are completely crippled. They've done absolutely jack shit for the average man and just sweep it under the rug. The Democratic party completely ignores us. It is utterly stagnant, with status-quo nominees like Hillary, Biden and Harris. I think without true progressives nominated in the future, dems will keep losing, and it doesn't even feel like they care.
This is exactly what I think. I really want to be positive, but the more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the message they'll take from this isn't, "we need to return to our New Deal roots," but, "we got too into, 'identity politics,' let's not talk about trans issues anymore."
I think the final test as to whether there is any hope left for the party is if they select Rahm Emanuel for the DNC chair. If they do, then progressives just need to move on; this party has nothing left to offer, even as a method of countering fascism. We'd be better off trying our luck with third parties than these perennial losers.
And the galling thing about that is that centrists used Republican "boys in girls' sports" hatred in their own campaign ads. They talked about trans people. They made it clear that they could not expect Democrats' support.
Wait, they, "used Republican hatred," as in they used clips of Republicans being hateful, or they adopted Republicans hateful positions? Just trying to clarify what you mean.
The worst part to me is that Tim Walz already demonstrated how to handle trans issues, which to make the Republicans fixation on them the issue. Don't get bogged down in all their shitty arguments, just say, "Why are you so obsessed with where people go to bathroom? Mind your own business, weirdo."
The latter.
Oh, Jesus, I didn't know that. I knew a bunch of them got vocal about being less supportive of trans folks after the election, but I didn't realize they were campaigning on. Do you have any names or a source? I don't doubt you, I just want to know more.
https://colinallred.com/news/allred-responds-to-desperate-attacks-from-ted-cruz-in-new-ad-sports/
Holy shit, I can't believe I didn't hear about this. Thanks!
And honestly the worst part is: where is the dem leadership right now? Where has Harris been since her defeat? People should have accepted blame for this historic loss and stepped down, but instead - nothing. What the hell is this?
They lost, what do you expect them to do? Foment an insurrection? The American people have spoken and they chose 4 years of a fascist, rapist, lying criminal for a president.
I expect them to still show leadership, to try and bring hope to their constituents - and to take responsibility for the election loss.
What kind of leader just up and leaves after a loss like this? Did Bernie just fuck off after everything that happened to him? No, he's still there, still trying to build support and help younger politicians follow in his footsteps. Harris should be doing that or should resign, not whatever she's doing now.
Why start now?
Even more, what incentive is there for them? They know they will get the votes, and donations, from the blue no matter who crowd.
They don't need to change
Just need to play them for absolute fools
And after this last election, it has become clear that they don't really care about the votes as long as they get the donations.
I mean would you care about the votes, specially post fact? The money is already there, and they are only humans.
Bernie is in a position where he actually does something. Vice President is a bench-warming position with no real power.
If everyone treated their job like Democrats do theirs, the world wouldn't work.
Harris isn't just the vice president, she was the presidential candidate. For fucks sake, she wanted to be the Democrats leader for the next couple of years! She has way more power and influence compared to Bernie.
I don't see how, since she's a failed candidate and the VP of a lame duck president. You're not wrong that she could at least make an attempt to have some sort of message of resistance, but even if she did it wouldn't have any practical effect. Milquetoast centrist is milquetoast.
I don't see how your position makes sense. Not only was there literally a $1.4bn dollar campaign promoting her over the last few months, she also dictated the current direction of the DNC based on her campaign policies and promises. She's VP to a government whose policies she largely supported in her campaign. There hasn't been any broad renouncement of her.
Besides Biden, who has anywhere close to her power, both in the party and in the public eye? She should be using all of the focus to promote and support new & fresh Democrats. You can't seriously try to tell me she has less power than Bernie.
The very very low bar that everyone should have for the Democrats right now is to expect them to be furiously working to win the House and the Senate in the next midterm election. Like balls to the wall, all out. Anything less is completely acquiescing to trumpism.
You want more? They should be strategizing how to flip state legislatures. They should be working on lower levers of government from the bottom up, to fight gerrymandering and electoral shenanigans.
And these are just the normie political stuff. I'm not even going to get into the grassroots organizing, movement building, leadership development, labour organizing etc.
Franklin did tell you, from the very start: "a republic if you can keep it". Do you want to keep it?
My two Canadian cents, take it or leave it.
the person to whom you replied was perfectly clear on this:
If Trump's a legitimate threat to democracy it would be unpatriotic for them not to do this.
Not only where are they, but who are they? Is Harris still relevant in politics? Pelosi? AOC? Bernie?
Who is running things and what is their plan?
I wish I had a party that even paid lip service to representing my political leanings, but left-libertarians apparently don't exist in the US. I voted for my district's Democrat as that was the closest I was going to get this time around, but even that was a protest vote as I am in a conservative bastion. Even if the Democrat party is wrested away from the corporatists, it will be temporary and the problem will repeat
We need to pass graduated voting nation-wide so we can get some viable alternative parties in here. I would love to have viable candidates ranging the gamut from conservative to communist, as that promotes a healthy political ecosystem instead of the current monoculture two party system. Makes a blight like the Christian nationalists or the Trump cult or the "leftist" oligarchs capable of infecting large swaths of the system.