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[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The west has to balance providing adequate arms and not getting bombed/invaded themselves. They only do invasions on enemies they think can't defend themselves.

They thought the sanctions would do to Russia what it did to Libya, Venezuela, Iraq, and many others, and that they'd only need to drag this one out to win it on the economic rather than the military front. That obviously hasn't worked, so rather than broker the peace talks a majority of Ukrainians want, they're escalating because they don't know how to do diplomacy, they only know how to do extortion. They're talking about "negotiating from strength" ffs.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

Only permawar provides for the most weapon sales. The sanctions on Russia was tighter colonization of EU by the US. To the last Ukrainian is opportunity to buy Ukraine assets for cheap, and making the war last longer, means cheaper, and more EU subservience.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Also more debt. The same people whining about the fictitious Chinese debt trap are really silent about how the US are lending billions to Ukraine so they can finance these arms deals, we know what these countries do once you can't repay, they confiscate all your shit.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -4 points 8 hours ago

If Russia was ever truly pushed to the brink Russia could always nuke Ukraine. There is no real way to win against nukes besides giving Ukraine their nukes back because America did not hold up their end of the nuclear deal.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

If the west gave nukes to Ukraine, Russia would obviously treat that as a nuclear attack by the west. At that point everybody dies.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

Possibly. Which is the point. There is no way for Ukraine to win unless the west wants to risk nuclear war.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Exactly, the whole thing was a folly from the start.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Maybe don't give nukes to a fucking nazi government in hopes that'll bring peace? Why not start with diplomacy and iterate from there?

[-] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 0 points 7 hours ago

Well, the only party that did was Ukraine, really.

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