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I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was "oh no what now" but with lemmy it's just "time to move to another instance"
I just don't like the idea of having 500 accounts after it's all said and done, especially if most of them wind up being unused... unless I'm fundamentally doing something wrong by creating a new account on every instance I want to use?
I mean you won't, they way it's going to shake out is instances with similar values form nation-states and cut ties with other nation-states they dont agree with
well probably see the emergence of meta-alliances soon that dictate the degree of separation of a blacklisted instance.
You don't need an account for every instance.
How it will mostly evolve in the future is that people will have one vanilla account, and if they want, one account for piracy and another for porn
you need an account to go to an instance that isn't federated. this is the core flaw that makes this entire system unusable for normal people. you don't want to have multiple accounts just so you can post the same memes in 12 different servers to get 1/40th the interaction you would get if everyone was centralized. this isn't a discord server, its a link aggregator and decentralizing the aggregator is antithetical to making this service work.
Or just find an instance that has federation policies you agree with, you don't need to post in every single instance - maybe some defederated because there were too many people posting the same shitty memes. And who needs 40x interaction? Reddit was too big, too many people competing for attention.
and then that instance get defederated by one of the big instances or has other performance issues because its not one of the big instances and now you're stuck picking from the big instances if you want any kind of content and curation on a socialmedia platform built to centralize users into interest groups so they can curate and discuss content. but yeah, defederatino is good for that, lets you live in your completely unpopulated bubble.
Very hypothetical there, like you're reaching for things that could go wrong.
I know that centralisation doesn't work because I've seen it turn the internet to shit over the last 15 years. If I had it my way we'd go back to small independent forums with no federation because they were much better communities. But in the name of progress, federation does have some advantages, but as soon as things start getting too big there should absolutely be defederation to prevent the platform from getting like Reddit.
im telling you things that are happening right not to various instances for various reasons, all of them down to the personal bias of the admins, not the consensus of the users in that instance.
Who says they need consensus? Instances are privately run, they don't have to be democracies. Users can vote with their feet, so to speak.
yeah, the admins can just make unilateral changes to their platform, that isn't the problem with every form of socialmedia, no, its something else.
Correct, because it's decentralised. It only becomes a problem when you have a monopoly of big centralised platforms.
You fundamentally so not understand the problem with federation and the admins. Is not a good thing just because it is, it's the same problem, in a different coat.
To be honest, if that person is so keen on centralized platform, why are they even here? They should just go back to Reddit, they might come back here later
what was the centralized one everyone went to? squabbles?
wait nope the admin turned out to be a free speech nutjob and everyone left. uhhh, discuit? i think that's a thing?
Idk, I like it
it doesn't mater what you like, if the platform can not grow from here, witch it can not in its current state, it will simply bleed users and die like voat.
I just spun up my own instance and federate with whoever I want.
What kind of specs do you need to run a personal instance? I'd like to, but I don't really want to invest in a bunch of computer stuff right now
Eh, as long as it can run Linux, >2gb of RAM, and >50GB of storage, even a raspberry pi can host Lemmy.
No way! I've got a r pi 4 buried somewhere in my garage. Gonna have to try to set up my own instance. Is there a starter guide for people of limited intelligence? How'd you get yours set up?
Lemmy Easy Deploy has ARM64 support.
After you got lemmy up and running on your raspberry pi, the next hurdle is making it accessible from the internet so other lemmy instances can federate with your instance. There are several way to do that, such as getting a static ip address from your ISP and forwarding port 80 and 443 to your pi from your router config, using clodflare tunnel, etc.
Just ask the selfhost community if you hit a roadblock. They love getting more people to join their rank.
Great! Thanks for the tips. Happy to find my next project lol
Yunohost has a Lemmy app
I got the cheapest VPS from Hetzner which is around 5 EUR.
until your instance gets banned for being too small once the system reaches critical mass.
Better than than now.
i have been on the mastodon side of the fedi since 2018
single user instances do not get defed'd out of nowhere. i've rarely (if ever) seen that happen. now if you're an asshole in a single user instance then maybe, but there isn't anyone going "ooh i'm gonna defederate from this guy" without you provoking them in some way.
When single user interfaces start becoming problematic, they will be. Neither of these platforms have reached a large enough size to need it, but it will eventually be necessary for groups of servers to only federated with themselves to ensure compatibility and scalability. We already have issues with propagating content, systemic and programmaticly.
I mean saying 500 is a little hyperbolic but this is exactly why federation exists and isn’t just another Reddit.
You find what you like and go there. It’s really no different than the old forums. Reddit centralized everything, lemmy is that but also the old way.
I feel a little better about it if lemmy provided migration tools.
It certainly not the end of the world but it is kind of a pain in the ass.
Reddit has plenty of piracy communities, being more strict than reddit is is just unnecessary
They also had quite a few subs that got shut down due to copyright threats. Reddit can afford to fight multimillion dollar suits.
We should just move posting to reddit and have the lemmy instance in question only be links to reddit posts.
I love it. We will win in the end, against the corpos, they shall rule in Hell whilst we serve in Heaven
Normal people not wanted to put themselves in legal jeopardy doesn't make them a "corpo".
Uhhh I think you misunderstand the original quote
Not really, in seeking to gain power, they create something worthless by destroying what is valuable, but by working together, we create something glorious that none of us are really in charge of.
usually god, the ultimate authoritarian, is in charge of heaven. i'll pass
Thank you for taking my metaphor too literally just for the edge