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Let us never forget the most oppressed group of all, the Centrists
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Of course Hamas is not stupid like the PA. They will not recognize Israel unless Israel agrees to a two state solution.
Your arguments are the most generic Hasbara so I am not assuming you are speaking in good faith.
Hamas stated "from the river to the sea" in that charter you yourself mentioned. That could not be any more ambiguous.
Yes of course they have the right to regain all their stolen land unless Israel wants to accept a deal. What is your point exactly?
Read this before typing your next comment
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/5/2/hamas-accepts-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders
They've pretty explicitly been aiming for a Palestinian state in the territories occupied since 1967. And not just recently, proposals for a permanent ceasefire (which sets the first steps towards recognition and normalization of relations) with Israel under these conditions go back to 1999. Conveniently, both Israel and the US didn't find it necessary to respond.
Hamas still doesn't recognise Israel, do they?
Does Israel recognize West Bank as Palestine?
From the article you linked:
Exactly the point. Both sides need to recognise each other. This isn't a sports competition. It doesn't require a PhD to figure that one out.
The PA recognizes Israel. What did that give them?
OK you don't even know what the PA is. Consider not having any opinions.
So do you support Hamas taking foreign hostages who have no dog in the race? What is your opinion on October 7 attack?
No answer quick change the subject. Zionists only response.
If by PA you mean Palestinian Authority, while they seem to have been spineless, how is Hamas taking foreign civilian hostages with no dog in the race promote Palestinian cause? What is your opinion on October 7 attack?
Change the subject to October 7 quick. You got caught lying so you gotta pivot.
You claimed Hamas support two state solution, but then posted a link that directly contradict what you said (why do people post links they don't read and turns out it contradict what they say?) Now you redirect the conversation asking what two state solution had done to PA. While PA had been spineless, they did not kill civilians. Now, it sounds like you are misdirecting by trying to paint Hamas as pro-two state solution, but contradicted what you just said by posting a link that contradicted what you claim. Hamas is clearly anti-Israel and against two state solution, and it seems to me that you are too. Then now, does that mean you support October 7 attack?
No read the link
You also did not answer my question: do you support the October 7 attack? Your silence on the question speaks loud.
Do not change the subject.
Are you a terrorist?
Answer the question. What did the PA gain by recognizing Israel?
I answered the question already. While PA have been spineless, they did not kill civilians. But you and your ilk then seem to wilfully ignore what Hamas did to civilians. Now answer me, do you and the other guy support Hamas' October 7 attack? Have other independence movements in other places killed civilians? By supporting Hamas, do you and the other guy don't support two state solution in essence and do not recognise Israel's right to exist?
The PA have not made any progress towards Palestinian statehood. If anything, they've been complicit in the slow Palestinian genocide.
Is that a serious question? I'd rather ask you to name a major independence movement that didn't. War is a bloody affair. Here's the US revolutionaries massacring pacifists, for example..
So did Israel, by the way. To prevent prisoners being taken, Israel killed a non-insignificant number of their own people, soldiers and civilian.
I do not condone the actions of October 7. But I'm not deluding myself into thinking there was another way. How would you tell the Palestinians to struggle for their freedom from occupation and violence? Just in 2018/19, during the Great March of Return, thousands peacefully marched in protest, reminiscent of the civil rights movement or Ghandi's protests, to demand the displaced Palestinians be allowed to return. They were gunned down in the hundreds.
Are you asking Palestinians to just lay down and die?
If you want a more nuanced take than I can provide, please watch this video by an Israeli, living close to the Gaza strip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt_1k7nSv1M
The Irish war of independence did not purposefully kill civilians. They only targeted British military personnel, and the British retaliate by killing Irish civilians, which proved to be to Ireland's PR advantage for international support for independence (you might mention the IRA in the 1960s to 90s, but that's a different story right after the establishment of the independent southern part of Ireland, in which the IRA activities had been condemned by the Irish government all throughout). And you mentioned Ghandi's peace movement for Indian independence, and yet somehow have a doublethink that it wasn't a major enough.
How about target military personnel only, and not kidnapping civilian hostages, especially foreign nationals with no dog in the race? It's not that hard to grasp. How is this going to help Palestinian cause? If the Irish freedom fighters killed civilians, that certainly would not have helped their cause for independence.