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Fuck Ukrainian Azov Nazis and fuck anyone who defends them
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What I don't get is why the GOP is siding with Russia? I'm dumb, shouldn't they be supporting Ukraine?
What do you mean? Trump was the one who resumed arming the Azov after it was stopped during the Obama administration. They are all on the same page, and Trump is far from clean when it comes to Ukraine. The only reason for the opposition comes from the fact that they are now the opposition and the Dems are in charge. If the GOP wins it will still be the same, maybe less fanatical about it because Biden is dead set on setting the world on fire.
What the hell did I even do in a past life where I am imprisoned in this reincarnation to only watch in a world run by psychopathic nihilists? Even much of my fellow man are selective nihilists, they know nazism is wrong, but they support it anyways because it's "funny".
You invented raisin biscuits.
can't wait for a 1.5k comment thread about raisin biscuits
Is this some kind of teaboo thing? Raisins are good in Biscut’s
The other reasons people listed aren't wrong. But I think primarily it is political opportunism, which is true of every bourgeois politicians anyway. In that sense it is unsurprising.
Russia is a Christian nation, so American fascists believe that it should be enlisted in an alliance to destroy the communist atheist China. Liberals are just as deluded as fascists and believe that they can take on Russia and China (and the entire global south) at the same time, when they can’t even put ole donnie in prison.
Is that really a thing? I didn't think Americans thought of Orthodox Christians as Christian?
You forgot the most important part of American Christianity, which is that Putin (and United Russia in general) is massively homophobic, which means that chuds are able to look past all the differences in theology if it allows them to be the swine they long to be.
I think they’re close enough. American Christians have enlisted the aid of Jewish settlers in Isn’treal, so it would probably be even easier to ally themselves with Orthodoxy.
Tbf that was probably due to evangelical zionism
Yeah, all Jewish people going to Israel is part of their end of the world prophecy. They just want all Jewish people to return to Israel to kick off the rapture so they can go to heaven and everyone goes to hell.
But aligning with Putin because he's illiberal and homophobic makes sense. Plus Evangelical Fascists often don't know or sometimes don't even have any theology.
isn't that more because 1. armageddon prophecy and 2. they want to deport Jewish people to Israel?
They're not, republicans have supported every Ukraine bill so far have they not?
For two reasons. The standard cause is Republican detraction from the sitting president. Americans tend to align in favor of wars on partisan terms. Republicans favored Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats favored Syria and Libya. So it all amounts to Liberal infighting. If the president is on the other side of the aisle your guys, your media people, and your grifters get to pretend to be competent realists, shepherds of american reputation, or even anti-war activists. But it's all an illusion. One of the ways Trump fucked Hillary over was due to her record voting for the Iraq War, and then leading the wars in Syria and Libya. Things that she was always quite proud of. Trump might even genuinely believe that Iraq and Libya and so on were stupid. By and large however Americans are not an anti-war culture. So the actual impulse isn't so much 'waging war is bad', but 'waging this war in this way was bad'.
The more complex issue at hand is that far right grifters online tend to see Russia as a means to get China. In their perfect world the United States would ally with Russia and integrate it into it's world order as a means to encircle and destroy the 'communist Chinese'. That is because Russia is idealized as a neo-conservative, hyper religious promised land that hates feminism, lgbt+ rights, and so on.
One good example of this worldview is how back when Trump was elected far right circles online went on a nonstop frenzy of meme-making where Trump and Putin would ally to invade Turkey and genocide all the muslims from 'Constantinople'. In that case it was less about China and more about destroying the 2000s-2010s boogeyman of, well, every muslim in the world.
Anything to be seen as contrarian to liberals, even if the issue is non-partisan. Culture war at any cost.
They're kinda divided on the issue between the establishment neocons and the MAGA faction