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President Biden: My Legacy Is "I Kept My Word," "When I Said I Was Going To Do Something, I Did"
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The problem with comparing Presidents is that you have to consider the times they were in power, and what did get done vs. what could have been done. Sorting Democrats above Republicans is the easy part, but the caveat is that they could have been so much better, but settled for better than Republicans. And of course parties over time change as well. Neither party resembles the past version in many ways.
I'm surprised you put Biden above Obama or Carter though. What major achievement did he do that gives him top level?
A fair answer. Most interesting is the commonality they all share that impedes further progress. The other party. I can't blame Obama for limited success, when the opposition adopts a "Vote No" mentality because of racism, and he hit resistance within his own party that made the wins lackluster (ACA and Lieberman).
Obama also had a 2 month window where he could get things done and that's when he got the ACA passed. That was the only 2 month window that Democrats had the ability to move legislation through Congress and the Senate without obstruction since 2009 when Obama came in.
Anything that has to be written in a bill has to pass through both branches, so if it requires a bill, it really can't be blamed on a president because they don't even exist in that branch. That's on the U.S. population for voting on a majority Dems/Pubs in the house/Senate. Biden served 0 days as president with a majority in those that could pass legislation... And people complain he got nothing done, when really somehow... He still got a decent amount of legislation through while being roadblocked every day for 4 years.
Edit: That will get me called a centrist or some shit... But really those people are just foolishly ignoring the truth of how our government is set up.
And lots of people say trump was/is...
That's because it's an opiy, and everyone is entitled to their own, no matter how few agree with them.
He's below Obama, and Bill...
Those are the only two Dem presidents to compare him too.
While ignoring that Biden was just a figurehead for the neo liberal wing that stopped Obama from doing more...
That's the important distinction, Obama wasn't perfect but tried to do more and failed.
Biden drug his feet and reluctantly did some small things, but the people who decided it was Biden's turn and gave him the "victory fund" when Hillary was done with it have the pull they could have gotten a lot done.
They just didn't want to
And I know all this goes over people's heads, and they're likely just going to get upset because Biden has the right letter by his name.
But how can you say Biden was better than Obama considering that?
Because the neoliberal wing sabotaged the progressive agenda...
The same ones that put Biden as VP, the same ones who handed Biden the primary.
What Obama got done, he got done in spite of people like Biden, but he did all he could.
What Biden got done, was what his donors figured would be just enough progress to keep the poors from rioting, but him and the other neoliberals are the reason we didn't get the whole progressive party platform voters want....
Like, have you ever heard the phrase "Stockholm Syndrome" before?
Because you're giving the people holding our heads underwater credit for letting us up when we drown then plunging us back under all over again.
Completely ignoring they're the ones that keep drowning us.
What?
There was a typo I fixed, but I don't think that changes anything:
I said the people running the DNC who put Biden as VP were the ones that sabotaged Biden.
By 2008 Biden was already considered an empty suit, and was there to calm boomers down about voting for a Black guy.
I never implied Biden was some Machiavellian political genius calling the shots from the shadows.
Like, it seems like you believe that's what I was talking about and not Dem Senators and House Reprentatives refusing to back his popular policy....
It's like you're having a conversation with someone else....
Since the neoliberal takeover in the 90s piggybacked on Bills inherit charisma and the dotcom boom...
Since then we've had 12 years of Dem presidents, 8 of those were a young charismatic reminiscent of the actual popular things about Bill, and then 4 years of his VP, because that was the only option next to trump.
The "centrist" experiment doesn't fucking work.
We can't keep pretending it does, the country isn't going to survive it.
Before Bill, there was Jimmy C, also so progressive that the moderate wing sabotaged him. Before that FDR who wanted universal healthcare and was wildly popular.
He also was opposed by the moderate wing of the Dem party. The issue has just been exacerbated since Hillary's Victory fund nonsense, and while I'd like to assume everyone is aware by now:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
For longer than either of us have been alive, progressives dominate general elections when they can get past their own party. When they can't (except for rare exceptions) the Republican wins.
You're stuck on "as long as they're better than a Republican" we're not talking about if that's correct.
I'm talking about how we can't reliable convince voters of that, so as long as we keep doing it, republican presidents keep happening.
We can stop that, by finally picking voters over donors. And selecting the most popular candidate for the general, rather than the one who gets the most donations from billionaires and corporations
They moved the Overton window...
Why do you think progressive policy polls so high across both parties but hasn't even been a topic in the general?
Or is this one of those "pills aren't real, everyone's halfway fascist!" Things?
Like, are you just willfully ignoring polling or have a strong opinion despite no access to the actual quantifiable reality?
The guy you're talking to will do the craziest mental gymnastics to say Biden bad.
That's because they want Republicans to win. Their behavior during the entire last year is pretty fucking indicative of that