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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -3 points 4 days ago

Would all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

Rhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago

So would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

it's not useless if it describes something.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

It's describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we're having right now would be propaganda.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

You're trying to influence someone's understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

And you're communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it's to political ends?

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

turns out, everything is political, so, yes, it's all propaganda.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

So I think that definition is useless, since there's nothing that isn't propaganda.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago
[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago
[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

I wanted to see if it was worth continuing this conversation

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

You thought I'd have read it?

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

I thought if you had read it this might be a worthwhile conversation.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago
[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

this hasn't been a conversation for hours

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Should I set up a bot, we can just trade trivialities back and forth forever?

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