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Strange that the analysis that this will decrease f35 demand. I guess they think it'll switch to more ngad and less f35?
They're saying that the military might shift focus to development of 6th gen fighters to catch up with China.
But Lockheed is a front runner for that too.
It's in reference to international sales, I believe.
Why would they be impacted? What's their competition?
Not sure the specifics, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were countries interested in a next generation fighter jet, and is capable of buying from either the US or China.
I'm sure it'll be just as successful at sucking up billions in taxes with nothing to show for it.
Producing literally hundreds of a single type of airplane with orders for the next decade or so isn't exactly "nothing to show for".
And even if you discount the actual sales, getting billions in development budget from the US government is pretty good for business.
I mean yeah, the purpose of these companies is to put taxes back into the pockets of billionaires instead of spending them on stuff they're meant for like infrastructure, healthcare, education, and so on. That's why majority Americans live like dogs.
Opposed to the Chinese corporations which are famously basically charity organizations?
What exactly is your point? Your moving goalposts to completely different planets.
It’s yogthos lol, can’t expect anything less my friend
Hey quick question genius, is Chinese military industry state owned or private? 🤡
Looks like both.
It's pretty much all state owned, and in cases where private industry is used, it's tightly controlled including party members being embedded within the companies. In fact, the role of private industry in China has been declining overall https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/chinas-private-sector-has-lost-ground-state-sector-has-gained-share-among
Looks like AVIC is public and private, do you know the ownership breakdown?
I'm sure you can look it up since you're the one who brought it up.
I did, looks like CCP is about half, but it didn't show many of the the other ones. I was wondering if you thought it was higher than that, from what you were saying, it sounded like you thought it was like 90%.
I never gave a number, and it's weird that you would assume something like that. Also, no idea what CCP is.
Yes you do.
I know what The Communist Party of China (CPC) is.
But you know that that's the same thing.
I know one is the proper spelling of how the party calls itself and the other is an intentional misspelling western trolls use.
It never changed. The official and correct name of the party is has always been The Communist Party of China: CPC. I hae no idea why people in western mainstream insist on misspelling it. It's like if I just arbitrarily decided to spell USA as SUA and then insisted that it's the way it should be spelled despite the official spelling being very clear.
Again, it's very clear what the party calls itself, and the fact that you choose to intentionally use a different way to call it even after being corrected is idiotic in the extreme, so is running around calling people you disagree with tankies. Keep on making a clown of yourself.
China doesn't use private sector for its military. Try to put a bit more work into your trolling.
I disagree.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_Aircraft_Industry_Group https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_Aircraft_Corporation
CAC has been promoted to a state enterprise in 1990. Try harder.
Looks like it's owned by Zhonghang Electronic Measuring Instruments, which is public? Or maybe they're owned by AVIC which is both public and private?
Private sector in China is not allowed to operate the same way the private sector operates in the west. So, your whole comparison is fundamentally flawed.
Have you seen their performance in Iran recently? They seem really good air to ground.
You mean when Israel aborted the bulk of their attack because they got painted by radar?
No, I mean the one that took down nearly the entirety of Irans air defenses with less than 100 weapons.
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202412054965
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What's your source that it was totally ineffective? Iran?
There is zero evidence of any damage done to Iran. There is no satellite footage, no videos of the explosions. There is nothing. When Iran attacked Israeli base we had actual hard evidence of what the results were. One has to be an incredibly credulous rube to believe that Israel and Yankeestan were able to attack Iran when they're unable to provide any evidence of that. You're such a great illustration how effective propaganda can be on people who are incapable of critical thinking.
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202412054965
You think Iran would release videos of that?
I have a UK generals quotes. Not as good as video, but better than nothing. I think you have just Irans public stance? With that I'd say mine has more evidence.
No, I think Yankeestan would release footage of that if they actually hit something. Just like Iran released footage of the base in Israel when they hit it. If you're dumb enough to just read unsourced statement with zero supporting evidence and believe it uncritically, then what else is there to say about you.
So you're going off a lack of evidence? Seems shaky. Why would the US disclose it's satellite intel capabilities for an Israel PR win?
What's shaky is making bombastic claims without a shred of evidence to support them. I love how you're. trying to twist that backwards. You made the claim, you provide evidence for it. That fact that you believe things without need for evidence shows that you're not a serious person.
I did provide evidence, you didn't. You have not provided evidence yet, if I believed you I'd be believing things without evidence.
Evidently you don't understand the concept of evidence. An article that says trust me bro is not evidence. Evidence would be satellite imagery of the site that was supposedly attacked which doesn't exist. Hope that clears things up for you.
F35 is guaranteed to be better than a "6th generation" Chinese plane and they can be upgraded anyway. And it's actually very successful now with a very cheap per plane cost.
LMFAO
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