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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

So if Ukraine had surrendered, Ukrainian language started to be suppressed and Ukrainian history erased in order to promote the view of a "Russian world" distinct from West or East, do all the western Ukrainians have the right to beg Poland to come liberate them?

I don't think Putin would annex western Ukraine, that certainly wasn't part of the discussion in any of the several previous iterations of negotiations over the civil war.

I just noticed that a self-styled communist user was implying that Mexico invading Texas would be bad because of it violating US sovereignty. Take that fucking hammer and sickle off of your profile picture, you miserable poser. You're a neoliberal with radical aesthetics and an embarrassment.

Anyway, it's also worth noting that Ukraine is perhaps the most historically-revisionist country in Europe (followed by Poland). The cult of Bandera is now basically just saying whatever they want about what happened during the Holocaust, or rather they are saying anything short of "the Jews had it coming," and the government promotes it. Things weren't looking great before, either. Whatever Russia has to say about textbooks in Dobas -- aside from correctly having most of them printed in the native language of their readers, i.e. Russian -- would be a clear improvement over this.

Sure, and the people of the Middle East hate the US for its freedoms. You interested in this bridge I'm selling? Do you unironically believe that all 6.5 million residents of the Donbas circa 2014 all begged in unison for Daddy Putin to save them from the scary EU?

afaik Donbas didn't care intrinsically about the EU, it cared about the actions of the reactionary government that was installed by coup in order to push Ukraine towards the EU over Russia.

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