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Removal of piracy communities (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:

We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world's users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.

This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

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[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Soo ultimately you personally will be the only person determining what people can and can't see, based on your perception alone. You don't like something, you'll ban it. You worry about something, you'll ban it. And there won't be a trace without you saying "we banned something". Which means there are no checks at all to you powertripping in the future. How is this supposed to be free, open and general then? This is even worse than reddit was.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago

It's their house, you're just visiting. If they are concerned, there's no one else to help. If they get in trouble, will you be stepping in to help them? No.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Once you start hosting an instance that has open registration, it's not just "their house" anymore. They are providing a service to people. They do so willingly. Arbitrairly blocking instances because you don't know how something works and don't bother to check it isn't the way to host a free and open instance.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nah, their box, their responsibility, their rules. They could shut it off tomorrow, ban people randomly, change what posts are allowed, federate as they choose. We can't do shit, and that's fine cause we can each make our own instance or join another

Edit Any assumption you have durable rights or privileges is just untrue.

Yes, they offer access willingly, as in "at their will"

Edit would a downvoter be able to refute me? Are we in some sort of contracted relationship with instance admins?

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

They CAN do all of those things but people would be right to critique them for it. Freedom isn't freedom from criticism or complaint. Furthermore they want this to be a functional community as much as their users do which is why this discussion even exists.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That doesn't refute anything I said. Their house, their rules.

You can criticize mom for setting a bedtime, but you must go to bed.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

The discussion is not whether they can set those rules its should they and should we keep participating

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Regarding your first point, there is no discussion, they can do whatever they want, they are omnipotent on that.

Regarding your second, that's absolutely fair game.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Once you start hosting an instance that has open registration, it’s not just “their house” anymore. They are providing a service to people. They do so willingly. Arbitrairly blocking instances because you don’t know how something works and don’t bother to check it isn’t the way to host a free and open instance.

You seem to be uniquely bad at reading so this is comment is the start of this subthread you originally replied to. Nobody ever suggested they COULDN'T implement any rule they please. It was never a point anyone brought up for you to be refuting. It is literally you dishonestly trying to steer the discussion away from the actual point of discussing SHOULD they.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No, I discussed a facet of the larger concept, which requires basic critical thinking to acknowledge.

I am not obligated to address all features of the topic, and that is not dishonest.

Edit I specifically refuted the topic of "once you host, it's not your house". Bullshit. It's 100% their house and that's the end of the line.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Feel free to contractually agree to pay all their legal fees, in that case.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There won't be any legal fees since the communities being talked about are allowed in the EU. Other people have made the same point already, but if you are scared of litigation, then you can't host a forum at all. There is always a place where your forum breaks rules. I.e. no disparaging Putin in Russia. Making fun of the twitter CEO is more likely to get you a lawsuit than any of the communities mentioned, yet it is allowed. Also, it never is a straight up instantenous lawsuit. It always starts with communication saying "don't do that anymore please". Once you reject, then a lawsuit is viable and not frivolous. So you can wait till that happens and then block those communities, once a company actually complains. Not when you think that maybe somewhere in the future something might happen or maybe not.

Truth is, lemmy is small fries. It will be that for a long time with the issues it has. Nobody cares about a tiny community hidden way deep inside.

[-] mysoulishome@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

It’s so nice to see so many lawyers in this thread offering their legal counsel…it makes me feel very safe when I start hosting piracychat.doodad next week. I’m assuming they will all be willing to defend me if I do get sued since they are so sure I won’t. 😃

[-] MothBookkeeper@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

You fucking donkey, did you read their comment before you replied to it? They aren't doing it just because they want to; there are legal implications.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There really aren't. Talking about piracy is allowed in Europe. Sharing stuff isn't. This is a kneejerk reaction. Also, please don't talk to people that way.

[-] MothBookkeeper@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I will talk to rude people that harass the admins of a free service that way.

[-] GodzillaFanboy129@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well by your logic maybe you should go kiss Reddit's ass then if you feel that way, they're hosting a free service and people criticize their decisions and reactivity.

The fact that we fund this place with donations gives us all the more right to criticize them for it. Are you also going to attack people for ceasing their donations because after this I'll never donate another cent to them ever again, and I encourage anyone else reading this to do the same.