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[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 67 points 1 day ago

What people are missing in the comments is that you can choose to play a bot match if that's what you want. But you CAN'T sign up to play against people and guarantee that that's what you'll be doing. And they are not transparent about it.

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago

That and also penalizing you for disconnecting from Bot matches is wild

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

But why? What's the motive behind not just queuing low ranking players with each other?

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Well its obviously player retention, but it could be that if they did put them with other low ranks, they mostly would have a bad time and most would quit. Another thought is that the exceptionally low ranked group is very small, and there isn't actually enough of them to allow quick enough queue times without filling out games with bots.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

So, that's how ranked play works and only has humans. Problem is, ranked is awful right now. Even in the lowest ranks matches tend to be hopelessly lopsided. I'm not clear on why but it may be streamers and whatnot creating new accounts to stomp on low ranked people.

It's in quick match where they are inserting bots, and there aren't ranks to use.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Would making a rule that new players must play an AI for the first few randomized number of games? That way they could have a chance to gauge the players ability before matching.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Most games do this, you can't play ranked matches until you've played non-competitive ones for a while first, and then you play placement matches where your ELO is allowed to move much farther per game so you dont stay buried in low ranks if you dont belong.

Ranked games tend to be thrown off by high skill players in low ranks, and it tends to even out once you get to the top ranks as the skill gap thins.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

Maybe placement matches would help, but if they are intentionally ranking low to stomp on people, I guess they'd throw those matches.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

But they wouldn't know how many of them they would need to throw.

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

If you queue competitve you're guaranteed human players. And no Crossplay. Not the best solution, but yea...

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Except when you have players that conciously don't want to play competetive. Playing a single match that doesn't have any impact on any stats / doesn't judge you is different than playing a competetive match that is twice as long, and has tryhards that will flame you for playing your favourite character, when it's not 100% optimal. Also, some people get into the competetive side of games way too deep, up to a detriment. Notebooks with pages of ranking points gained or lost, getting frustrated on losses, even resenting the friends you play with for their skill in a game. Shotcallers that get too deep into it, etc. When you have 3hrs to game a week, you don't want it to be filled with any of that, you want to play like 15 games / rounds and be done with it.

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