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I get what you’re driving at truly but man we do what we can and accept we can’t be perfect. I avoid Amazon as much as I can. I’ve left google, I don’t shop at Walmart. I don’t eat chik fil a. I try to avoid known evil brands where I can knowing I can’t be perfect.
Proton gives me a lot of what I need and is exponentially better/more ethical than major competitors like Google. I am good with computers but not good enough to roll my own entire email/calendar/cloud storage system. We sometimes have to accept compromise or i guess just simply not participate in modern society.
I think the big difference is what the companies stand for.
If the CEO of The Anti-Spyware Company comes out in support of Spyware, is that not significantly worse than the CEO of The Spyware Company doing the same?
I supported The Anti-Spyware companies because of what they believed in. Now that is in question.
FWIW I don't use Proton but switching to it was in my 2025 plans. Not so sure about that anymore..
~~Dude is not a "CEO"~~, hes one of five board members of the Non-Profit organization that owns Proton AG.
Edit: Yea okay hes still "CEO", but like he isn't the sole owner, or some dictator.
Yes he is. You are factually incorrect. You can see it from their official page too
Good to know, I was just going off what OP said
FYI, that user is incorrect. Yen is both the founder and CEO of Proton.
Thanks for the update! I guess I shouldn't have taken him at his screenshot
Yea, I maybe misunderstood what the non-profit structure meant. He is still "CEO", but my point was that he isn't the sole owner, or some dictator. Even if he want to start spying on people, he still needs to get other board members of the non-profit to agree.
Happy to help! This is already an important conversation and we need to be all caught up on the basics at least :)
Your comparison would be appropriate if this was a statement coming out in favor of spyware. Additionally if we looked more closely at who you support, I bet we would find some pretty egregious contradictions with your values/the business’s purported values.
All of us would fail at some point if we were scrutinized. That’s why an all or nothing purity test is not productive. We do the best we can where possible and accept that none of us truly have the 100% perfect moral high ground. So it follows that to hold others to that standard is ridiculous.
All right then replace support of Spyware with "praise for The Spyware Company"
He’s not taking about spyware or anything like it. You’re forcing this.
Spyware was just an example? Proton is all about privacy and this board member is saying good things about a guy who doesn't think us peasants should have any.
I agree that this isn't the worst thing to ever happen. But I also agree with the people saying he shouldn't have said anything.
You’re still reaching. A privacy company praising a spyware company is not the same as one member of a board on his own praising Trump for something not even related to privacy. Stop forcing this. You’re reaching.
Fastmail is pretty great :)
Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out!
NextCloud is almost an "out of the box" experience for all of these.
Nextcloud isnt end to end encrypted.
Between your machine, and a machine you control, via ssl?
I looked into them about a year ago and for some reason I decided not to move forward. I don’t remember why so perhaps I’ll take a second look