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What is the honest opinion of the DPRK people (or the present leadership) about Kim Jong-il, especially with regards to his relationship with China?
Was he justified in his hatred for China, or did he screw up an important relationship?
Sorry I forgot to answer this one but it was just as I expected
“ The DPRK fully supports Chairman Kim Jong Il's actions during his leadership.”
I know the diplomat likes Kim Jong Il and my friend from the DPRK liked them all ,though He does seem like the most controversial person of the three
Kim Il Sung being the most popular
Here’s the thing when I asked them on how they view Mao Zedong ,they told me that he had fights with him as well as Khrushchev over de stanlization which Kim Il Sung opposed ,when I told them that people in most of the world view Mao as someone who opposed de stanlization ,this is what they said
I’ll give you it from the beginning
“Hello and thank you for your question.
In the 1950's Mao Zedong and Nikita Khrushchev came to odds with President Kim Il Sung over De-Stalinization. Mao Zedong made veiled threats of ousting President Kim Il Sung over the issue and that soured the DPRK-Chinese relationship.”
I replied “ That’s what makes me wonder , from what I know the DPRK sees Stalin as a great leader right? ,I might be wrong and that’s how Mao saw it which is why I don’t get what his problem was with the DPRK
As for Khrushchev ,didn’t he also have problems with the DPRK ?
So what did the DPRK do when it came to “De-Stalinzation” ,did it refuse de stanlization or did it accept it ??
That’s my question”
He replied
“Yes. That is correct Stalin is seen as a great leader in the DPRK.
Chinese and Soviet agents together attempted to overthrow President Kim Il Sung over ideological disagreements stemming from the President’s rejection of de-Stalinzation. President Kim Il Sung was opposed to this sudden shift in ideology and did not follow the Soviet line.
The event is called the Second Arduous March which occurred in 1956 if you wish to learn more about the specifics which occurred.”
I replied “ What I don’t understand is that in the west and in the world in general ,Mao was seen as someone who rejected de-Stalinization ,so why and what was his disagreement with President Kim Il Sung over ?
Did Mao at the time accept De Stalinization ?”
He replied and gave an extremely interesting answer
“While Mao Zedong and China was opposed to de stalinization they did not want to fully split from the USSR and enter hostile relations. The attempted removal of President Kim Il Sung was an opportunity for Mao Zedong to demonstrate he was not in favor of abandoning relations with the USSR.”
He continued later “In reference to your previous question the DPRK, being a nation in a constant struggle for survival maintained a straight course in keeping relations with its neighbors, however DPRK policy would react to whichever the USSR or China seemed more likely to fight for Korean independence if necessary.
However border disputes in the late 60’s deeply soured DPRK-China relations for the coming years.”
So tbh I don’t wanna hear any more conversations on who was wrong in the sino Soviet split ,if this is true it’s clear it was absolutely the USSR’s and mainly Khrushchev’s fault, the sad thing is Brezhnev did try to fix relations with Mao ,but Mao was of the deep end at that point in his life
He still hasn’t answered your question btw ,this is just me saying what I have been told from him and my other friend
The more I learn about the sino-soviet split, the worse it gets
Every time
Since I have you. Will the diplomat come back to reply to the last questions? (I've just edited mine actually 😬)
If not, is there somewhere you would recommend I reach out?
Yes he will answer them all (the ones he can answer)
In fact he has told me someones I forgot to tell you guys
Like how he can’t comment on if they have social media or not
He would then tell me when I told him that because Zuhair told me Kye was not used to social media that I assumed that the DPRK didn’t have it which is a good thing
He told me
“The DPRK is aware of how decadent Western behavior is pervasive on social media and does not think it would be beneficial to the revolutionary cause to encourage social media's usage.”
I am so happy to hear he will answer them all. That's incredibly gracious of him and also of you. I look (patiently) forward to it.
Cool answer on the social media stuff, can't disagree.
Ha ha ha ha ha juche gang Stalin gang juche gang Stalin gang juche gang
I still don't get it. Seems like Mao turned 180 degrees wrt foreign policy (talking about how China became belligerent towards other nations in Asia, fighting with the US against communists). Sucks.
Actually it’s pretty clear what the diplomat said here ,he basically said that Mao didn’t want to split from the USSR and since Khrushchev wanted the DPRK leadership to be in line with the new Soviet policy of de stanlization, Mao tried to keep their relations by ousting Kim il sung
What ended up happening is that the younger members of the workers party of Korea believed in Kim Il Sung since he was a Korean while the people trying to overthrow them were foreigners
Regardless the DPRK still exists
Late Mao and Deng’s foreign policy are the same policy ,not much difference ,only difference was their domestic policy tbh
Thanks for replying Mohammed! I just meant I didn't understand Mao's actions, not that I didn't understand the reply ♥️
The sino-soviet split was terrible and Maos actions in this time are a massive stain on his legacy
I agree
Yes
honestly Kim Il Sung had the best take on the sino soviet split
What was it, or are you referring to this text only?
like fr fr, kim wanted the socialist nations to stick together even if they saw each other as 'revisionist' for the sake of anti imperialism. A 'big red tent' as he called it. Socialist splitting only helps the capitalists.
:yea:
mao, though technically right in it (kruschev was an insane revisionist), but in response called the USSR basically nazi germany and then siding with the USA in the cold war. It just became opportunism and shattered world communism into multiple pieces it didn't need to be.
Kruschev was also a fucking opportunist because he was forcing dogshit policies onto every country they had influence in. He tried to force the DPRK to 'destalinize' which was to basically become an economic and political puppet to the USSR.
It's so disappointing. Mao basically ended up treating the smaller socialist countries like how the USSR had treated the CPC.
and several times supported literally the worse groups ever. The mujaheddin, UNITA, TDF, and other far right groups.
Khmer Rouge. Listening to latest season of blowback and the one on Afghanistan has been extra saddening
yeah the Khmer Rouge is a fuckin crazy one. The split in the socialist movement definitely prevented us from truly being able to win the cold war.
I agree with that
Sorry, second question, regarding Juche ideology: has the view of the Juche ideology that “men shall prevail over nature” been adjusted given that the harsh climate of Northeast Asia requires the DPRK to spend 20% of their GDP annually just on agriculture alone, and had often caused unpredictable outcomes to crop yield, most notably the disastrous weather effects of 1994-1996 and the great famine that ensued?
What is the DPRK position on climate change? Do they think that the warming climate in the north will be beneficial to them (geopolitically and economically) or will the unpredictable effects of climate change bring further uncertainty to the country?
Not a substitute for a direct answer, but while researching various minister positions in the DPRK a while back, I found that the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN (FAO) has done work in the North. An excerpt from them on climate change and Korea:
Thanks for the info
I am not knowledgeable about North Korea other than dumb western propaganda which I believe to be mostly false because they lie about everything else, but nowhere is safe from climate change and everywhere it is a risk. One of the biggest factors of climate change is the changes in the jet stream are going to make weather completely unpredictable and extreme. For example, a heat wave in northern Canada and a foot of snow in Louisiana US.