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That's a very simplistic and apathetic response to a human being dying ...
I bet you support the death penalty for people that steal a loaf of bread to feed their children as well.
The reality is that it's a very complex issue and while Texas has the right to secure it's borders a humans right to live is a little more important me thinks.
At the size of a state government deaths are statistics. And funny you should mention stealing. In another thread I was arguing that stealing is immoral and should face punishment, even food. Just like going hungry has programs to help, so does immigration have processes to go through to do it legally.
Don't steal and don't cross sovereign borders without permission. There are consequences to actions. Don't start crying because someone suffered the consequences.
Ah yes, why don't they just use those vague programs you alluded to?
I'm sure you can tell all of us what those programs are and how easy they are to be eligible/apply through. Right? I mean certainly you know what these programs are and wouldn't just be assuming they're in place and functional. After all, a blatant assumption like that would make you an utter jackass if it turned out those programs weren't actually available for everyone or were needlessly restrictive/difficult.
SNAP, WIC, unemployment, food banks, meals on wheels, shelters, churches, etc. There's a plethora of resources for the poor to get food.
Most of the things on your list you can't get if you're undocumented.
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Suffered the consequences of what, exactly? The consequences of being born into a world that doesn't provide for them? The consequences of unequal access to opportunity?
Guess then we should get to shoving some consequences your way for being a dick. Your speech is harmful, and you don't deserve clean food or water or a warm place to sleep.
Get our of here with your garbage. Your life is not more valuable than ANYONE elses.
That's a pretty sweet straw man you just built there.
Academic language does not shelter you from the consequences of your speech.
You seem to have misunderstood what I was arguing against. I've said nothing about inequality or difficulty of life anywhere. Merely that crossing borders illegally is illegal and wrong.
Fun fact: It's actually not illegal under international law if you are seeking refuge. Most countries are signatories to the Convention on Refugees.
The US is not, but it's really a minority on this issue.
Seeking refuge is needlessly vague. We have definitions and rules for a reason.
The Refugee Convention, which I was referring to, does have definitions and rules.
You can read them on the pdfs linked from this page if you like.
International law is still legislation, case law, and precedents; it's not a few "vague" terms.
But I was just trying to give you a fun fact, @Tb0n3