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Do you have your head under a rock? Over the past few years China has been putting the Uighur people in concentration camps while Russia has been invading and genociding Ukrainians.
The westerner that has never been to China and doesn't speak a word of mandarin is gonna lecture us on China.
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No, China hasn't. There has been no evidence.
We know how much information should get out of a state with complete control over the flow of information, via Palestine and Ukraine's respective genocides. Instead of any of that, we have vague, contradictory accusations from Islamic extremists. The uighur people control Xinjiang, and thanks to investment it's flourishing.
China killed Islamic extremism via education and improving material conditions; that's not acceptable to the West, so they made up a story.
You're right, hence why I encourage people to visit Xinjiang and try to find these millions-strong concentration camps or just, you know, talk to people from China, especially that region.
Besides a few people that lived most of their lives in the Middle East, not China, there are no witnesses or 'victims'. And we all know who tends to recruit agents in the Middle East like they're run by a evangelical death cult.
By that logic, there have never been any detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Why, if there were, surely you could just walk into Gitmo and see them yourself! But you can't! So they must not have every existed!
Interesting way of doing it.
The difference being, of course scale. But thank you for further proving my point. We know the names of every detainee in Guantanamo, we know the flights in and out, we have satellite pictures of it despite it being a facility that's top secret.
And yet
Of course, it doesn't prove your point. Have you seen any of the detainees personally? Are you just going to rely on reports from western media about them, or from family members that are thousands of miles away? Do you believe that it's "top secret" just because western media is telling you it is?
Or is it perhaps more likely that concentration camps, black sites, and detention facilities for 'irregular combatants' would maybe not be something that is open to reporters, and perhaps locals might not be willing to be open about them with foreigners?
You can take pics from tourist spots in Cuba. I've been to the edge of the rented bord er. It takes no special effort.
Families in Uyghur communities around the world have referenced the camps with regards to their missing friends and relatives. Here are some from my city. It's intellectually dishonest to suggest there are no witnesses or evidence.
Yes, as I said, western people with vague ties and no evidence of said ties making up stories.
We know what genocide looks like when a country has complete control over all communications ... It looks like hd video. It looks like leaked audio. It looks like tens of thousands of refugees despite military blockades on all sides.
It is not vague stories and claims from people that voluntarily left decades earlier. It is not stories that you can immediately disprove on a visit. It is not the d-tier propaganda that people like you only believe due to racism and believing the Chinese are so fundamentally different that those doing the genocide would have not one single person defect and come forward. The Chinese are human. Not a hive mind. In even the most brainwashed examples of real genocide, a double digit percentage of those perpetrating it defect and try to tell the world. Not one single one has. None of the thousands upon thousands of people required in the act and cover-up of this 'genocide' have broke... Making it the most successful conspiracy in the history of the world... If it were true.
Why do you people stop having critical thinking skills the second China is mentioned?
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No, because I don’t fall for the propaganda. I’ve met one of the NYT reporters on that and their sources were three Ugyhurs and trust me. I’m guessing you don’t speak Chinese and have zero knowledge of it besides MSN?
His trusted source is a German man that doesn't speak chinese, has never been to china and uses satellital pictures of buildings in construction as proof, like it is eyeopening how much media buzz someone as unserious as Adrian Zenz has only because he preached the "china bad" narrative.
Sounds about right.