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Why Socialism? is a good read
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It's the opposite, poverty is skrocketing. What's happening is a decrease in debt and inflation at the expense of the poor, not the actual poverty rates, which again shows that those you support serve purely the wealthiest in society.
Safety, shelter, and food are harder to come by for the working class under Millei, while the wealthiest in Argentina celebrate.
aljazeera is your source? really?
Below a site from Argentina and more recent. If you want I can also provide a Spanish source. Sometimes I really think you Marxists rather see people poor than acknowledge your ideology is based on an illusion with no real world prove it has ever worked.
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/expert-reports-say-argentinas-poverty-rate-has-fallen-to-368.phtml
Why not zoom out? Millei marks an increase in poverty rates and a destruction of social services. The economy is shrinking and GDP is falling, and now Social Services those in poverty rely on are being eroded, resulting in the lives of those in poverty being far more at risk to begin with.
I have no idea what you mean by saying I would rather see people poor. It's the opposite, I'd rather the likes of Millei stop trying to destroy economies so that his friends and backers can get wealthier while the poor starve and die. Moreover, Marxist economics works, from the USSR to China to Cuba life expectancies rose dramatically, poverty rates fell dramatically, and the economies rapidly grew. China in particular is doing extremely well now and is now the largest economy in the world, when adjusted for PPP.
On the contrary, it's the "Libertarian Capitalists" that have no actual proof of doing anything other than helping the already obscenely wealthy profit more in the short term. It's basic economics.
Are you trying to convince me by sharing macrotrends with poverty data until 2022? You know he started end 2023 right?
Yep. The poverty rate now is, by your own source, 36.8%. That is over triple what it was pre-Millei. I said, zoom out, so you could see what a disaster he has been.
Oh, come on. You can do better than that. He took over from the socialists that made the country a hell and it was only getting worse. It really takes guts from a country to choose someone that is against freebies. This was not a country in a good shape. Poverty is not the only number that is currently improving btw. The Moody country ratings update is really significant. It marks the first upgrade for Argentina in over 20 years! Talking about zooming out ๐
Let's hope Argentina continuous on this free market path and next year Lemmy will be full of Libertarians. Future is looking bright.
Argentina wasn't "Socialist," perhaps a different flavor of Capitalist. Nevertheless, poverty was far lower under the previous party. It was by no means perfect, and Millei was in fact a protest vote, but the consequences have been disastrous. Trying to frame an over tripling of poverty and far worse conditions in poverty as "improving" is extremely silly on your part.
Argentina wasn't in a good shape, correct, but now it's a dumpster fire. It's extremely telling that you, again, try to pass off a rating for investors as a sign of overall improvement when you've been clearly shown how Millei has decimated the livelihoods of the Working Class to make himself and his buddies richer. Again, basic economics.
As Argentina burns, there will be fewer and fewer Libertarian Capitalists globally, though there is significant chance of a revolution in Argentina if conditions continue.
Are you from Argentina? I like to get my info from the country itself. See link below - this guy is providing very detailed info and he is optimistic about the future. You don't fix a mess in a year though - Argentina is not there yet, I really hope his party will win the election in October so he can double down on his agenda.
https://www.bowtiedmara.io/p/argentina-outlook-2025
I think it's very funny that each time your points were disproven or fell flat on their heads, you ignored and dodged further and further until you walked yourself into a hole defending a tripling of poverty rates and decimation of the economy so foreign plunderers can profit massively, sharing the spoils with Millei and friends. Rather than responding to any of my points in ernest, you just point to the fact that I'm not Argentinian and show one dude's blog showing how excited he is that foreign investors are going to make serious money from the suffering of Argentina.
Not 'just a guy' - very well researched and with actual feet on the ground. If this doesn't convince you nothing will and you're probably stuck in your ideology. Oh well, you can't save everyone ๐
Also very good article.
https://www.bowtiedmara.io/p/lionheart-mileis-first-year-in-office
Do you want to admit to being wrong about Millei reducing poverty as compared to when he started? Or perhaps explain why you care more about profits for foreign investors than the lives of the people of Argentina, who have been suffering to a far greater degree under Millei?
I'll show you a mirror: you're stuck in your ideology and I can't save everyone.