How native Hawaiians feel about the occupation regime (twitter.com)

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[-] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

by voting to become a state - especially to such an overwhelming majority - you can hardly argue a dispositive attitude towards the US being there or towards joining the union. so, not only have you moved the goalposts, you’re arguing a straw man and your own emotions.

I’m sticking with provable facts.

[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Once again they were given a choice between becoming a state or remaining a territory. Not for independence. It'd be like offering a scrap of bread to a starving man in exchange for the man legitimizing your ability to keep him malnourished.

The ole adage of "the only thing worse than being exploited is not being exploited " comes to mind.

Since you can't be assed to read your own damn wiki article I assume you're just in bad faith.

[-] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Once again they were given a choice between becoming a state or remaining a territory

Hawaiians could have protested, revolted, or one of many other options. But they didn’t.

That’s the thing about facts— your opinions don’t magically make them untrue, regardless of how many folksy sayings or logical fallacies you conjure.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You’re the one reducing possibilities. Your dichotomy is between staying a territory and becoming a state. While being a state is nominally better than being outright occupied subjects, prior to colonization they were better off, and you suggest decolonization and not being colonized aren’t options.