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My parents have seen this movie three times, I’ve seen it twice, might go again lol. I’m in a deficit of movies marketed toward women that dont revolve around romance, I can only watch legally blonde so many times (who am I kidding, I will watch it a dozen more times at least)
I can only assume that my one downvote is from someone who vehemently opposes the notion that anyone could get tired of seeing legally blonde
Giiirl! Love legally blonde! Before seeing barbie I realized women kind of get like one super great kinda cult following comedy movie a decade. (Not a hard rule or anything) Clueless, legally blonde, mean girls. The stuff we still quote and watch today. My prediction was that Barbie is going to be that movie. After I first saw it I thought maybe not, but I keep thinking about it and like it more and more as I sit on it, the flaws became more acceptable/tolerable. Sorry for ramble I'm just excited to see another woman say it hits that niche for them too!
Yes!! There are flaws with all of those movies, but it’s hard to be choosey when there are so few movies that feel like this. Everything Everywhere All At Once also kind of scratches this itch for me, though in a more broad sense due to the wide range of ideas it covered. I’m super glad to talk about Barbie with other women! It has been great seeing all the women I work with embracing a side of themselves that has historically been shit on.
For me the feeling happened first when I saw Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley was going to be the survivor in the original Alien.
Now, movies conceived and produced by men starring female action heroes are their own trope and don’t have the same impact.
She-Hulk however gave me that joy. I hope Marvel looks at the actual viewership numbers of She-Hulk and the success of Barbie when making a decision on a second season.
When I watched Alien as a kid, feminism was not on my mind. I’ve gotta watch it again! I agree, it’s hard to find female-lead action movies that don’t just feel like “yay, now men can enjoy guns, explosions, fight scenes, and a hot chick!” Kill Bill mostly works for me, minus the foot fetish that Tarantino can’t help but insert, and knowing how he treated her during filming puts a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I should take that out lol. Woman King was brilliant though, I really want to watch that again. I also have Gunpowder Milkshake on my list, my SIL said it’s basically John Wick but with women, and damn that would really do it for me.
I had several issues with She-Hulk that ultimately made me stop watching. But I’m not here to shit on one of the few shows that scratch that itch for other women. I’m really glad the show gave you that joy :)
Sorry She-Hulk didn’t work for you.
Won’t ask what put you off but suggest seeing it through to the end.
As someone who read the comics it felt very comic-accurate while adding in the clearly feminist perspective of its creator/showrunner. Basically, it took a female action hero created by men and gave her ownership by women.
Yes female action heroes are a trope now. They've over-played it, but of course anything from Marvel or DC is going to be shit. These days they're just movie mills pumping out the same old rehash.
The Alien movies made a female action hero seem natural. They did it right. There's been a few others that have done it right. More have done it wrong.
I don't know anything about the Barbie move since I haven't seen it. I would like to see it but will wait until it comes to streaming. My wife saw it with a group of her friends and said it was cute and weird, but definitely worth the watch. So evidently it's not in the same caliber as Legally Blonde.
Excuse me those movies are flawless!!! I will hear nothing more of such blasphemy lol
I'm so glad you have that! Where I grew up I was sort of the weirdo that liked barbies, none of my other friends were into them. So I didn't have anyone to see the movie with or talk about with after that would really get it. The person I went with was a good sport at least.
My b lol, you won’t hear any more slander from me. Dang, I wish I could send you some of my coworkers to talk to! Meaning they would be missed, they’re awesome women and you would love chatting with them.
I actually joined mastodon recently so I could listen to/chat with more women who share my views. I’m finding Lemmy still a bit dominated by men, a bit too much like Reddit in that regard, but on mastodon I’ve been slowly finding exactly what I’m looking for. I’ve found some great recommendations for movies and books by women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people, it’s been really refreshing. I was never on twitter so it’s weird to adjust to, but it’s actually serving a healthy purpose in my life
All of these platforms skew male, white, heterosexual, older etc.
It’s a major concern when AI’s are using them for training data. Or, when studio executives take them into account in decisions about what to greenlight.
Reddit is actually relatively better balanced at 2/3s male. Review aggregator sites like Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb are more heavily male.
I’m finding the conversation on Lemmy more civil, but unconscious bias is a thing.
the number of women here might be higher than you think, I for one am putting the minimum amount of personal info in the fediverse and many other women do the same
very true! I do think there are proportionally more women here than Reddit, just based on personal observation, but I have no way of knowing the numbers. With mastodon a lot of people put their gender in their bio so I can easily find women to follow and give myself a really woman-dominated feed, even if mastodon in general is still dominated by men.
Idk if I could ever get into that Twitter format, hell even Tumblr was hard for me. But I will keep in mind that mastodon might have the community I would enjoy. Reddit had some fantastic women centric subs from serious discussion to hobbies to memes, I think lemmy is too new and niche to have similar women centric spaces active though. I really miss that part. But there might be more women than it seems, a lot of my comment history probably seems male.
I think we should make a sub or whatever they are called where people just post and share women centric places on lemmy, fediverse, and maybe anywhere online. Maybe in meantime can use it to post anything too. Call it womens corner or brunch vibes or something fun lol.
Also side note I love how barbie movie discussion and your post just got all the girls chiming in! We are here! We are here! Lol
It felt odd, marketed as a female movie, It had a female lead, women that talk to other women, but half way through I commented to my partner that this feels like a movie about Ken.
My only take away as a dirty male is I can t wait to see it again for Ken, but when it's streaming.
I’ve seen this opinion from a lot of men, about 80% of the top comments on the Reddit mega thread were about how Ken “made the movie”. I’ve talked to a lot women about this, and every one of them has essentially said “of course they think it’s about the man”. It’s a bit frustrating, honestly, to see this opinion everywhere. I do not see how he could be seen as the focus of the movie. I loved Ken of course, but you missed a big point of the movie if your main takeaway is how great Ken was.
Badly worded, my main take away to see it again, I do see past Ken. And like you say, if you're witnessing people saying that Ken made the movie then that's the exact problem I'm conveying.
Thanks for the clarification. I think the reason so many men think the movie is about Ken is due to them ignoring the feminist themes in the movie, rather than a fault of the movie making Ken too much of a focus. He was absolutely hysterical, but the humor felt superficial—the focus was still on how a matriarcal or patriarchal society is severely flawed.
I agree it was a lot of Ken.
It was a female movie, we had the sort of history of progress that barbie either helped bring or at least reflected the change of times. We had our relationship, memories, references, inside jokes, and love of barbie. It is also a VERY feminist movie. I'd argue the best depiction of what feminism is about I've seen. It shows how the patriarchy hurts everyone too, and the answer isn't a matriarchy. It was just done in a way it could easily be ignored if someone wanted to just enjoy the surface level fun. What bothered me about it was the Mattel dicksucking corporate bs I suspect was forced to be included and portrayed a certain way. They did a decent job trying to make it work but if felt obvious and gross to me.
Especially the "Haha we had a female CEO once but not anymore, but it's okay because we support feminism as long as you make money!!!"
Yes and then they just bumble around because they HAD to introduce them and then just like... comedic pointless bumble around? Meh. I don't wanna get spoilery with other problems I had with Mattel. I am still super excited to see it again though! Either on streaming or in theaters with someone who hasn't seen it yet.
Wow. Marketing on Lemmy has been a resounding success.
Yes, my 50 year old parents went because they frequent lemmy so often 🙄 I went again for the reasons I described, there are very few movies that feel the way this movie does. Comments from randos != marketing
Edit: OR is this a joke that completely went over my head, because you’re MargotRobbie 🤔
That's Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you.
Since I can't promote the movie right now, I'm trying to shitpost my way to an Oscar this time. Maybe lightning will strike twice.
If you've never seen it, watch 'A New Leaf' with Walter Matthau and Elaine May. May directed it. It's a rom com for people who really hate rom coms.