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During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.

That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.

A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians 'the right way' is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.

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[-] DrainedOctagon@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 18 hours ago

Unironically yes, considering that after 15 months of Biden letting the war go on a ceasefire came when Trump took power.

If the Democrats were really passionate about winning, maybe they should have listened to their voter base for once, instead of alienating them. The Dems blame everybody but themselves for their loss and it's disgusting.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 16 points 18 hours ago

Genuinely. At least so far, Trump is the lesser evil when it comes to Gaza. That could certainly change, he talks like he plans on changing that, but so far Biden did 15 months of genocide and Trump enforced a ceasefire on day 0

[-] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I'm sorry, but no, you do not have to hand it to 'em.

Trumps ceasefire is the same as Bidens. A temporary pause before Israel decides to resume it's ethnic cleansing of Gaza and The West Bank. He will support them to the same or greater degree as Biden. Everyone he's appointed directly refers to Israel controlling Gaza and the West Bank from now on, having just announced they want Palestinians to "voluntarily" leave.

Biden and the democrats can get fucked, but you don't have to be a moron and double down on Trump being somehow better. He isn't.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 14 hours ago

Trumps ceasefire is the same as Bidens.

There was no ceasefire under Biden though.

[-] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 12 hours ago

The ceasefire started before Trump took office, and regardless, both effectively mean the same thing when they refer to a ceasefire. A pause before they both continue to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

The ceasefire started before Trump took office

Lol. Come on now, don't be deliberately obtuse.

both effectively mean the same thing when they refer to a ceasefire.

Ok. I don't know how many times I have to tell Yanks that actions are more important than words.

[-] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lol. Come on now, don’t be deliberately obtuse.

Referencing a fact is not being obtuse, nor is referencing Trumps lead negotiator, who literally directly credited Bidens team as "doing most of the work" on the ceasefire. Pretty much everyone has recognised it came out in the end as a joint effort, aside from Trump himself.

Ok. I don’t know how many times I have to tell Yanks that actions are more important than words.

I'm not a yank, and the actions are the multiple murders Israel has already committed of Palestinians in breach of the ceasefire, the fact that all of Trumps appointees are obscenely pro-Israel well beyond even Biden, that everyone involved is saying the aim is still to eliminate Hamas and the war is not going to end, and they are literally right now planning for a takeover of Gaza and the West Bank by Israel and the US.

Like what are you even arguing at this point? That Israel is genuinely going to stop ethnically cleansing Palestinians? That Trump cares to stop them? That his appointees care to stop them? Are you lost and confused and think I'm defending Biden on Israel?

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 4 points 11 hours ago

You're not wrong about the ceasefire being that, but it still is a result of Trump's people.

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