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They were also working in a country with an actual proletariat class is the thing.
Ok. If you think revolution is impossible, no one's coming to force you off the armchair.
Thanks, this armchair is pretty comfy
Please use SovietBeerTruckOperator's username as per the tags SovietBeerTruckOperator has set
I'm repeating a Simpsons meme, not addressing this person in any way.
Although I get that other users were uncomfortable enough with the reference as it referred to this user that there were reports about it. It's not a big deal just be more respectful of pronoun tags in the future
I generally am, and I get that people might not understand that it's a reference to a known quote (which doesn't make it automatically ok, even if it is), it's annoying that I get this mistake permanently associated with my account in the modlog without any recourse. I wish I could have had the opportunity to correct it instead.
https://youtu.be/Lar0fNuBA1U
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
In the conditions under which the CPC made these strides, the proletariat was much smaller than the peasantry. In a typical ML analysis, the peasantry have a petty bourgeois character, or at least adopt one once liberated from landlordism. This was one of the major contributions of Mao's CPC to ML theory, as even though the Russian Empire had a similar dynamic, it was not as extreme as China's. In the Russian Empire there had been kulakizatiom to bring more petty bourgeois character to the peasantry and undermine the landlords and the proletariat was larger. China's peasantry were often basically serfs.
This is my way of saying that basically every country has enough proletarians (we can quibble about how prole they are) compared to past successful revolutions. What we run up against most often is a deeply propagandized population that has some kind of dependency on financialization and imperialism, where they receive an "artificial" experience of their class, one heightened. Not quite a labor aristocracy, but one that fails to develop even vulgar class consciousness because nothing happens to them that can break through the propaganda. The coworkers that think unions are for lazy people and just accept being fired as a fact of life, as they are sure they will be employed again very soon, their industry being "in demand", propped up by imperialist technological advantage or some insurance grift. The PMC technocrat that, at least for now, believes they can help solve climate change for a decent wage if they just make good enough slide decks (while their paycheck actually comes from capitalist lobbyists). The retail worker that knows conditions are bad but just puts up with it because they are young and believe the line that it's a practice job and they'll naturally get paid enough and work in better conditions as they get older. It's a house of cards that I believe will crumble when imperialism becomes less effective and the expectations of these workers get a reality check. This is what I would usually call proletarianizatiom of the imperial core, it's making proles prevented from developing class consciousness by confidence in future rewards become instead more directly aware of the bum deal, of seeing their exploitation.
The real challenge is how we will contend against modern fashy reactions to what will probably be seriously incompetent first stabs at real mass left organizing.
Anyways sorry for the really long response. I hope it is relevant and makes sense.