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Executive order to resettle "white South African refugees"
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The US is losing whatever sliver of credibility it has left.
Hopefully the world understands it's not the US, it's Trump and his people.
I’m saying this as an American who stands firmly opposed to every horrific thing Trump and his fascist goons are doing. However, I can only imagine if I was a politician or business in another country, I’d feel like I’d no longer be able to trust anything the US does or says.
Correct. And that would be the government, not the population.
Did Trump elect himself?
Did you ever look at the election results?
I did, but we can look at them again:
It appears he did not elect himself. Unless he has over 77 million clones.
Yes. He won the majority. Your point is?
The plurality of people whose votes were counted*
Semantics. The fucker won 77 million votes - and if the USA have done their homework five years ago, he wouldn't be allowed to stand in the elections again.
The problem is we aren't educated on what fascism looks like in its infancy.
We're taught Hitler came out of nowhere and took Germany overnight.
History lessons are practically on fast forward.
No, the problem is that you aren't a democracy. There are multiple reasons for that but to mention the most relevant:
Democratically elected president should have more than 50% votes. If none of the candidates achieved that, there should be a second turn of the election with only two candidates. Trump won with less than 50% which is ridiculous. Electoral college is even more ridiculous.
Trump attempted a political putch four years earlier and should be in prison. Why isn't he? Because in the USA, the judiciary is political and not independent from the politics and politicians. This is contrary to the basic democratic principles.
Also, supplementary issues:
Trump was financed to large extent by Musk. Also other actors played their role, possibly with link to other countries. This is again not democratic (although this is world wide problem and not unique to the US).
USA electorate has an obsession over completly misunderstood "free speech". Freedom of speech is not a freedom to lie. Factual lies said by politicians to get votes are the same as lies said by salesmen to sell goods - and should be treated as the same, as fraudulent misrepresentation. Trump should be in prison solely for the lies he said to mislead the public (again, not just USA issue but much more prevalent in the USA than in other countries).
This comment would be super poignant if it wasn't for your reliance on the No True Democracy fallacy.
Are you a little bit slow?
Are you a bit of an asshole at best, and a stupid asshole at worst?
Am I going to block you now?
Hint: Those questions have the same answer.
Neither. Now, are you a little bit slow? Because you certainly make this kind of impression with your "no true democracy" comment, completly irrelevant to what I wrote.
The population elected Trump. TWICE. The second time with more votes and winning the popular vote.
Like it or not, Trump represents the USA in the minds of people around the world for at least a generation.
Trump won by a very slim percentage. And that was because most people didn't bother voting. So no it was not the majority of people.
I bet I could lambast your country using your same logic. But you're too afraid to say which one you're from, because you know it's true.
Even if it's a slim percentage win, you have to understand that as a European looking in, it is a wildly large number that voted for him. There are only a couple of countries in Europe (and actually only a couple on each continent) that have a population larger than that. For a lot of countries it's 10x their population.
For most of us, that looks like an unfathomably massive percentage of idiocy.
You say this like it doesn't reflect just as bad as those who did vote for him
Add the people who actively voted for Trump and those who couldn't be bothered to vote against him and you do have the majority of the country who is to blame for the shitshow that is currently wrecking the country and shredding whatever international reputation your country had.
We know that about 30% voted against this shit (and we thank you for that effort), but thw reality is that you have a fight on your hands if you hope for the rest of the world to look favorably on your country again.
And, despite 50501 and a small number of outspoken Democrat senators (Bernie, AOC), we don't see much fighting back yet.
If Trump got 20% of the republican primary vote, it would already be cause to mock the US.
He is an infamous dumbass. Deeply ignorant. Like, moron levels of understanding how the world works. Hurricane nuking levels of understanding. Plus immoral, having lost racsims lawsuits in previous century (so not politically motivated), cheating on his wives, cheating on his taxes. But so, so, dumb, and so easily manipulated. Plus he looks funny, but just a unimportant details that's true for a surprising amount of right wing politicians (milei, Boris Johnson, etc).
He was the literal counter-example of who should be president. It's hard to think of someone less suitable. Maybe Kanye West? Snooki?
Not only he did win the primary, but he won the general election. Twice. After such a disaster with covid. They haunted Clinton for years for 4 dead Americans that weren't even her fault. Trump caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, tanked the economy, did a bunch of crimes, tried to overthrow the government, announced he would be a dictator and people still voted for him. Mind-blowing.
We understood that the first time. And then you went and you elected him again, post jan6th, post criminal convictions, post covid and post project 2025. (collective you, not you in particular).
Not this time, this time is on y'all.
What country are you from?
Take it from a fellow American. We fucked this up and it's on all of us. We need to recognize that before we can come together and fix it.
Living in Germany at the moment, but the sentiment is shared by most Europeans.
As a German you should know better
I'm not German, and what should I know better? Numbers don't lie.
What country are you from? Why are you afraid to answer that?
Edit. Ah nvm you're too busy getting your comments deleted and banned from communities to answer.
It doesn't matter what country I'm from, but if you are so interested you can probably deduce it from my comment history.
And mentioning the Soviet crimes obviously gets you banned from ml, that's like a no brainer. I am also banned from /r/Pyongyang and /r/conservative, if you need to know. Echo chambers gonna echo chamber.
I think getting banned from Lemmy.ml communities is pretty normal for a sane person.
Trying to get someone to doxx themselves for no reason is much less sane.
What country you're from is not doxxing
Well one of them was elected by a plurality. I was saying this nine years ago, but I think it's time to admit that yes, it is the US (if not me or those I closely associate with).
It isn't. It was done by all the Americans who voted for him as well as all the Americans who chose not to vote at all.
I do agree with that