Been thinking about the Ukraine war (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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The weirdest part is the idea that Ukraine could ever become a part of NATO in the first place.

Is every single person in the Zelensky regime so utterly incompetent that they genuinely believed that would actually happen while they were in a civil war between 2014 and 2022, not to mention now when they are in an all out war with a literal nuclear power? I very much doubt that.

Something doesn't add up here.

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's a concern for NATO or the IMF now.

No. This war has Iran-Iraq'd their populations. It'll take a generation to recover.

The proximity to Russia would be worthwhile if Ukraine didn't already provide all the access the west wants.

They didn't, though. That was the whole conflict around Donetsk that pushed this conflict to a full invasion.

NATO already has everything they want

Idk. Western Media wants you to believe NATO is always and forever winning, but this war has exposed serious flaws across the whole continent.

The economic demands put on the European members have been enormous, and its biggest players don't appear nearly as loyal to the coalition as they were thirty years ago.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I was just wracking my brain for an aphorism and finally googled it because my grey matter failed me - this is a real "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" situation for NATO, in my opinion

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I guess we'll see. I think we're going to see NATO all over Western Ukraine within another two or three years.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I look forward to the news mega coverage if it comes to pass!

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They didn't, though. That was the whole conflict around Donetsk that pushed this conflict to a full invasion.

Sure, but joining NATO isn't going to bring the Donbass or Crimea back into Ukrainian hands. Not only will they never get them back, they're going to have to officially, politically acknowledge that that is no longer Ukrainian territory if they want to join NATO. So there's still no benefit to having them join NATO for NATO.

Idk. Western Media wants you to believe NATO is always and forever winning, but this war has exposed serious flaws across the whole continent.

The economic demands put on the European members have been enormous, and its biggest players don't appear nearly as loyal to the coalition as they were thirty years ago.

C'mon, you know I know and agree with that. NATO didn't win this, but that doesn't mean Ukraine has anything to offer them that they don't already have. Actually allowing Ukraine to join NATO is nothing but a liability to NATO - that is why I'm staking my claim that it won't happen, at least not in the next decade.