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Nazi collaborator’s name found on Victims of Communism monument
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Not everything anti-establishment is left or right. The strategies the nazis used were false flags and complete narrative control followed by regulatory capture, martial law, and then finally taking what they wanted by force.
If you claim those tactics for your ideology then I don't associate with you.
You're probably referring to right wing populism, right?
The strategies I'm referring to are best summed up as populism, yes. The left vs right terminology originally referred to those who opposed or supported monarchy, respectively. In Weimar Germany those who opposed the political establishment in favor of working class movements were considered socialist, irrespective of their other beliefs.
What I'm saying is that as capital S Socialism gained popularity among the working class, fascist movements appropriated the Socialists populist methods, taking advantage of the work that Socialists had already done in organizing working class opposition to the political establishment. The majority were not ideologues, they simply knew the status quo was not serving them and were looking for explanations, which at one point only Socialists were providing (though arguably not very effectively). That's when fascism emerged to provide an alternative explanation; one which was not a threat to the wealthy and powerful, and played into the deep-rooted prejudices of the time.
Well yes of course, in this context communism and socialism aren't very literal aside from the parties empty promises. That was a given in the historical context, as there has never been a true communism by definition.
Then why are you trying to say that Nazi Germany was directly created by communism if they never practiced communism?
Because the splintering of the left wing as a result of radical Communist Party spoiling Social Democrat and Centrist parties resulting in failure to form a left or centrist government for 3 years allowed the Nazis to take over and effectively end the republic. And also, even if they opposed communism and practiced socialism, they were all basically favors of the same thing but had different leaders in mind.
That's not really true. It was a coordinated effort to dismantle any and all worker protections, rights, and organization.
::: spoiler Blackshirts and Reds - Michael Parenti - Ch 1
So you're saying the left parties were unified and did form a government and didn't lose votes to the Nazis in every election before Hitler?
Because if that is what you're saying then you're lying. But if that is not what you're saying then you just pasted 7 Paragraphs to say a whole fucking lot of nothing, @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
Thanks for stopping by to be a great example of the kind of fucking Tankie bastard nobody likes. Hey do you recommend I do or do not read some theory?
If that's as surface level as you care to engage with the subject matter, I'm not sure engaging with theory or historian works (Micheal Parenti is a historian if you weren't sure) would interest you but I'd be glad to be wrong. There clearly wasn't unity, the SPD during the 1920s shifted to a more centrist platform and fought much more against worker uprisings than fascist movements despite enacting progressive policies when in power. If you have no interest in how capital interests affected the political landscape of Germany at the expense of the working class and in favor of more right-wing populism, we can just agree to disagree. I focus on material analysis, class warfare, and the interests of capital owners. Don't know why you called me a tankie when I've never supported authoritarianism but whatever
A few of the sources from the first chapter:
I preferred the spoiler method used to hide text and make it more optional.