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I feel like Musk was a symptom of Americans really wanting a genius billionaire to be a real thing as it reinforces this American dream everyone's dreaming about.
Reading the CPAC transcript clearly shows that he's currently below average intelligence if anything.
They wanted Iron Man and got Justin Fuckin Hammer.
Phoney Starck
My feelings are that Steve Jobs was the quintessential cultural personality CEO and his early death sent a lot of people desperately looking for the next one, who ended up being Elon.
The difference was that Jobs actually had taste and a good vision for the future. He could build a smart team and let them drive progress then motivate to go further without making things up like Elon. So the media papered over Elon's wild confabulation, instead of showing him in a true light.
Most of that's false though. He couldn't build a good smart team, Wozniak could. He was very good at screwing others out of ownership in the company they helped build though. He was also very good at one thing, envisioning a computer in every home, and a computer in every pocket. That was his one true talent.
But he was not "smart". He died to cancer detected early enough to heal with modern medicine, but chose quack treatments instead. There really isn't any such thing as general intelligence. Everyone's got very specialized knowledge in some topic, and are idiots in everything else.
Na, that is just historically inaccurate. The original Macintosh team collected their stories/memoires at folklore.org, which give you a pretty good overview of his talents. He was really mercurial and Woz was the better engineer, but played a really important role in the vision/design of computers as we know them today. In the original Mac team others did the engineering and Jobs never claimed to be and engineering type of person, but he had a good feel on the importance of design, clear visual metaphors and good interaction design and pushed the team relentlessly into that direction.
Jobs was a salesman, Woz the engineering brain.
He was quite good at marketing. He wasn't a technical guy and apparently wasn't terribly good at driving technical people either. But he was great at selling whatever the tech people came up with.
Quack treatments meant he could keep working. Modern medicine would mean he would have to admit his beliefs about human health were wrong.
some, like me, are idiots in everything ~~else~~
I doubt that.
Time has been kind to Mr. Jobs. Read about his early years at Apple... he was famous for skewering anyone that disagreed with him. He also had lovely habits like parking his sports car in handicapped spots so he didn't have to walk as far. You can't disagree with his talent for running a company that did an awful lot of innovation, but he wasn't a nice guy. He named one of his first products, the Lisa after his daughter, but didn't treat the actual daughter that well.
For a "smart" person, his death was quite possibly a very unintelligent way to go. He basically decided to give all kinds of "holistic" crap a chance to treat his cancer and avoided medical intervention for almost a year. If he had gone with the medical path from the onset, he might still be alive today.
But he did have his moments. Like how he basically told the music industry to cut out the DRM, because it just made the ecosystem impossible. Or one time when someone was picking at him over abandoning OpenDoc in favor of Java (Java didn't work out either, but his response was on point, without being dismissive of the person).
Cancer sucks. It's hard to judge someone from dying when everyone dies. I do agree with you that treatment would be better. However finding out you are going to die has a grieving process. He took too long. But I kind of get it.
He also told the daughter it wasn't named after her for most of her life.
I may be misremembering but I think she wasn't a child anymore by the time he acknowledged that he was her dad.
Sure, just like he told her about Santa Claus for most of her childhood. You're right in that he did come up with some ridiculous backronym like Local Information Storage Architecture or something but let's be real -- he didn't have a lot of daughters and he could have named that computer ANYTHING. That computer was named after her, full stop.
steve didnt take SHOWERS. he stunk up the office and his employees had to beg him to clean himself before meetings with potential investors and customers
Jobs was just as sociopathic as Musk. You have to be to lead any corporation that relies on profit and is public. People that worked closely with Jobs often said he was an arehle and didn't care about people's feelings.
Youdon't have to be a psychopath but it does work out that many who do lead these places are psychopaths.
It would be difficult to fire thousands of people if one wasn't a sociopath, methinks.
Not at all, you have to weigh the loss of thousands of jobs bs the collapse of the company whereby everyone loses their job.
That's often NOT the case. Executives are looking at their share price each quarter. It's rarely about the 'health' of the corporation.
Musk and Jobs are both business savvy people who had good publicists. The difference is Elon fired his good publicists years ago so now we all know the truth.
Steve Jobs was a bad guy. He wasn't much better than Musk. He was just smart enough to not fire his pr team.
Well yeah, that's the American Dream right? That if you're smart and work hard, you'll be rich?
Yeah and you need to be asleep to believe it
And like most dreams, it just won't happen in real life.
You can have a high IQ and still be an utterly inept moron. I have family in Mensa and they are hands down some of the laziest, stupidest people I know.