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I wonder why they are so afraid of the religion of peace?
Yeah, all major religions are known for their very level-headed followers. No need to worry.
That didn't really answer my question. Whataboutism.
it's hardly whataboutism if your starting statement already alludes to the comparison.
Muslims allowing islam to be known as 'the religion of peace' is one of the biggest doublespeaky manipulations around. They're technically correct, because they're referring to this line from the quran: "There will be peace on earth when there is no more al-fitnah". Al-fitnah means 'disbelief' so what they're saying is, there WILL be peace on earth, once we've converted everyone to our religion (forcibly or otherwise).
I'm a bookworm, read voraciously, and as a sad lonely young teen who struggled to understand religious people, decided to read all the books. Hindu vedas; Christian old / new testament; Buddhist dhamapada; quran, and the hadith. Islam is an awful religion when taken literally, and the few islamic sects who are genuinely peaceful (eg ahmadi, sufi) are not even considered 'real muslims' by the more popular interpretations (eg sunni / shia / salafi).
Don't rely on out-of-context quotes from dodgy rightwingers, don't rely on out-of-context explanations from muslims seeking to proselytise and make excuses, EVERYONE should read it for themselves so you're debating on solid ground with facts on your side. My absolute favourite line from these particular religious texts is when Mohammed says he wants another wife to his (iirc final wife) Aisha. Aisha says something like, you've already had the maximum number of wives; Mo falls into a trance then says, don't worry, I just spoke to god and he says it's fine. She replies "Oh, how your god rushes to fulfil your desires". Even she knew it was a crock of shit.
It's not the religion they're worried about, it's the adherents. And if you're wondering why that is, there's two towers in New York that used to be there and aren't anymore.
Gotcha the ideas are perfect, it is the people who are wrong. Odd how often that is claimed
What? In what way did I claim that?
Yes. The religion is abstract. It's the people that are the problem. Are you worried about Mein Kampf or are you worried about Neo-Nazis?
@FlyingSquid @afraid_of_zombies
Some day soon I imagine the Christo-fascists will jail us all, then the neo-nazis will line us up against a wall.
Yeah and it's not the gun I'm worried about, it's the bullets
Same thing man, same thing. Control them both.
Neither guns nor bullets are abstractions. Very poor analogy.