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As I recently said to a friend: "I fucking hate being right."

And he said "I fucking hate you being right."

(he was never in disagreement, he just still had a sliver of hope)

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[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

I’ve been against electronic voting in the USA for years. Many states, especially the so called battleground states, rely on these for the most of the results.

People like me, who say paper ballots only please, have been ignored by the very people who are upset by outcomes calculated by procedures they cannot possibly explain ( it’s secret). Who will, until their dying day, swear they have faith in the integrity of these system because their cousin’s friend’s uncle knows somebody who works in sales who says it’s ok.

It really does not have to be that way. It’s a uniquely American trait, I think.

For many here, they can find comfort with each other.

For me, the initial disaster has not stopped, it started over a generation ago, and continues in its original form and fashion. And will be ignored by most reading this.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

I’ve been against electronic voting in the USA for years. Many states, especially the so called battleground states, rely on these for the most of the results.

Direct Recording Electronic voting machines are less common now, and DRE machines without voter verifiable paper receipts are even less common. Here is a state by state list. Louisiana is the only state with statewide DRE without paper verification. The other states that permit precincts to use DRE without paper are Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma (only for those in need of assistive technology), Tennessee, and Texas. So that's one state that uses totally electronic voting statewide, 5 states that permit it in some instances, and 44 (plus DC) that prohibit electronic voting without a paper trail. And none of the states with DRE and no paper trail are swing states (although many have swing districts).

I think it was a bigger problem before, but is getting phased out.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s more hidden but more of a problem now, actually.

But it’s such a complicated multi faceted issue with things that vary state by state it’s hard to do coverage without literally writing pages and pages. And very few people know all the stuff going on.

I will list some of my issues being generic as possible: (edited formatting below)

  • it’s possible to write voting systems which allow one or two people who run the company to skew the results without the rest of the company having a clue. ( this I know by my 40 years of writing software)
  • election voting systems are very complex and can be messed with at over a dozen (literally) different ways, other than #1
  • the code and systems are normally trade secrets
  • the admins are unknown, who has admin keys is a private list. The security here is unknown
  • many states have exit polls done afterwards which are significantly different from the results
  • many states flunk or withhold data for basic tests for ballot stuffing
  • many places give printouts and receipts but no recounts use these, if recounts done at all
  • the general rule of thumb is if it’s too complex to understand how the voting works then it’s not fair voting
  • any electronic voting requires faith and trust to use. This is not how democracy works
this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2025
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