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As a producer who aims to make 2-10 million dollar genre flicks, I don't see why ticket prices shouldn't be scaled to budgets. Don't want to pay 25 bucks to see Avengers 16? Pay 10 to see a low to mid budget crime or horror flick instead.
To keep profits up, theaters should bring back double features, intermissions, and sell popcorn with THC butter. Snack sales will explode.
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We didn't ask for a billion dollars in CGI. That's their fault. That's why people rather wait for their favorite site to have the movies and watch it from home. Even then... most movies are still disappointing.
I agree with you that this summer of 300 million dollar studio flops is well deserved and that the unholy fusion of Big Tech and Hollywood has destroyed our industry. Unfortunately for TV buffs, the era of big budget streaming is now also coming to a close due to a mixture of labor actions, rising interest rates, and the simple fact that there are too many apps and none of them make money.
The reason I prefer watching movies in theaters is because I enjoy communal experiences and feel good movies are enhanced by leaving home and joining a crowd. It's the same reason I go to concerts, sporting events, and plays and comedy shows. Plus I am required to turn off my phone.
I do like the theater but it's hundred plus dollars to go with me and the family. It makes more sense financially to pop some popcorn, invite their cousins over black out the living room best we can and watch the movie at home.
That's too expensive. I don't blame you. Things will need to change.
Theatres were dying before covid. People can get a better experience from home for less money. This is one of those things covid helped speed the death of up. Just like distributed working for those who have jobs that can be done remote offers better productivity with lower costs to employers and workers. Those businesses that fail to adapt will be brought into the future kicking and screaming or just fail to adapt and die off.
You are incorrect that the future of entertainment is an endless, perpetual feed of on-demand home video. It is completely unsustainable. The streaming model peaked during the global quarantine and is now in freefall. You will never have as many people watching TV at the same time again. There was literally almost nothing else to do. The reason why David Zaslav is butchering the MAX catalog, Netflix is cracking down on password sharing, Disney+ and Hulu are set to merge, Paramount is on the verge of a total shutdown, Apple and Prime are canceling shows left and right, and Peacock is seeking a lifeline is because these services existed to thrive during a pandemic. The shutdowns are over and people are going outside again.
You are correct that the studios' major theatrical releases are flopping this summer and that multiplexes are suffering: The failure of Indiana Jones and The Flash are a testament to Hollywood's greed, bloat, and hubris. But spend some time in New York, LA, Portland, Chicago, and more and you will find dozens of repertory and revival theaters selling out classic movies every single night with enthusiastic crowds. People want affordability and quality. And they want to leave their homes and enjoy entertainment with their communities.
Why don't you all get togther and make a kickstarter for films, to go around the big corporate structure. Some sort of non-profit film studio that's devoted to creating creating great scripts and funding their production.
Crowdfunding has been great for small indie video games and products and historically awful for film. Remember the Veronica Mars movie on Kickstarter? They raised a shitload of money from fans and then sold it to WB. We haven't seen a high profile film crowdfunded since. WeFundr exists, but isn't particularly killing it.
To make a real movie with wide theatrical potential, you need people willing to put six and seven figures in. Investors in movies want equity and access. They want a piece of the potential profit, they want to visit sets, meet movie stars and directors, and come to premieres and festivals. They want to have a cameo in the movie or give their kid a job on set. They want to see their names on a screen. They want to give notes. They want to tell their friends they made a movie. They want to be a part of the show. It's my job to facilitate these investments while protecting my filmmakers from interference.
Well that explains why movies suck so much nowadays. Y'all need to fix that.
Stop watching the high budget movies then. Higher budgets creates higher risks, thus prioritizing methods to getting a return on their investment rather than just what would make the movie better.
Or better yet, just watch the movies that you think look cool and stop worrying about the underlying political mind games of the film industry.
I don't. Maybe don't assume shit.
Feels like reddit in here.
I think its a fair assumption. Statements like "movies suck now" are big indicators of the types of movies the person making the statement are watching. There are tonnes of excelent films out there, they just dont get the backing and advertisement that big budget films get. You have to go out and find them. There are resources all over the internet for finding good movies (big or small budget) but you have to make the effort to look and find something good. Thats just what happens when big industries get their fingers in the pie.
No I don't need to go find them. The fact is we are talking about movie theaters. The types of movies people don't have to fuckin Google.
Low budget films play in movie theatres too.
If you are watching a trailer and deciding based on that alone if you want to see a film thats fine. But dont be mad when you walk out feeling like they missold the quality of the film.
Some of the best films ive seen have looked bad or uninteresting in trailers.
Refardless my point was there is no reason that you should be offended by the assumption that you only watch mainstream films especially when you basically admit that when arguing back.
Bruh, stay off the ego juice and realize that your logic isn't everyone else's. Which is why people aren't going to the movies at these prices. The big budget films are what we see in NORMAL theaters and they are stale/boring/bad.
You should apply what you just said to yourself. Ego has nothing to do with me agreeing with someone who innocuously assumed your taste in films. My taste in films isnt necessarily better that yours or anyones. You are the one who seems to be getting offended when someone claims you are only watching mainstream films.
I love loads of mainstream films! Why would that be embarrassing? You are missing the point and falsely accusing me of being big headed.
Go back to reddit please.
Dude, again. Your ego is the problem not mine. You are trying to make this conversation about something completely different from the original topic so that you can then be smug.
People are not going to movie theaters. They are too expensive for what you get. It's simple economics. If the product is not worth the price, people don't want to buy it. You can tell me to go watch better movies all you want but that completely misses the point of the original conversation.
If the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE don't want to watch what is showing then you have a problem. Telling me to go watch b movies or to find better ones is so asinine.
Hey mate. Im not interested in arguing about the price of movies. At no point during our conversation have i done that. I responded to a comment you made telling someone not to make assumptions about you and stated that i think they were pretty spot on with their assumptions about the tyoes of movies you watch. I never said your taste in films made you less than me or anyone else and even outright stated that i enjoy mainstream films too so i dont think im better than you.
You keep fighting with me about something im not arguing and calling me egotistical.
Please understand that if anything i have said has come across as aggressive or offensive (other than me pointing out how 'reddit' like this chain has been) please understand that was not my intention so im sorry.
I would like to say however that theres nothing asinine about suggesting if you arent happy with the films you are watching that you should go find better ones. Its pretty much the only answer to the problem.
Again, you keep making this about me going and finding better movies. Stop. That is NOT THE POINT. You keep trying to come off like you are magnanimous but it's incredible smug of you.
I do not have to do anything. It's not about me finding better movies. I don't have to look for anything. If Theaters don't want to become blockbuster they are going to have to change their practices.
If you don't want to have this discussion stop responding to me. Your ego clearly cannot allow you to not have the last word though. So I'm sure you'll come back and give me some other argument.
Forget it mate. You think im arguing with you, i think you are just looking for a fight.
Please re read our conversation. You werent talking about the price of films in the comment you made which i first responded to, and neither was i.
You were defending yourself when someone claimed you need to stop watching main stream films if you think they are all crap these days.
You said something to the effect of "thats why films are all crap these days, you need to fix that" then someone said you need to stop watching those types of films and look for stuff that actually looks good and you told them not to "assume shit" about you.
Then i stepped in and commented that the other guy clearly made an accurate assumption. And now i would say its pretty clear that he touched a nerve with you.
Infact id say that you need to wind your neck in. You need to stop projecting, you keep claiming my ego is huge but your the one who keeps getting triggered when yours is poked.
You call my suggestion to watch better films "asinine" (which means stupid or foolish) when it is literally the only answer to the problem. Like if you bought a certain type of tv because its popular brand but found the quality was suffering lately. You would buy a different brand with better reviews. If thats asinine then i guess im thick as pig shit...
And now you say im being magnanimous when i have repeatedly stated outright that i dont think im better than you. Ill say it again. I dont think im better than you. Or anyone.
I think you are mad, maybe got truggered by something and have been unable to let it go. It happens to all of us all the time. You have to let it go. We all do.
Please, if you respond, understand tat im done arguing with you. I will not reply to anything you say. Unless its from a non aggressive and offensive place.