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Liberals are always thinking there’s other factors for why people vote Republican rather than people just thinking differently lol
Thinking differently is appreciated. We shouldn’t all think the same. The problem comes when that thinking lacks humanity and empathy and love.
If you truly believe people who vote Republican lack human empathy and love you might be spending too much time in liberal echo chambers for such an extremist view
The Republican version of empathy and love of indistinguishable from cruelty for the out-group. Like how they "love" women by implementing policies that kill them. And also just killing them as partners.
It’s because they love life and want to protect the baby inside the woman
How do you square the circle where lovers of life kill more women through policy relative to other, similar policies?
I think most republican voters would agree to allow abortion in cases of rape or death of the mother. It’s the republican politicians who go to the extreme to outright ban it
I’m sure that’s very comforting to the families of the people who’ve died in pregnancy and childbirth in the states where abortion is illegal because of the voting choices of Republicans. I’m sure it’s even more comforting to the victims as they bleed out.
Has this happened?
Do they realise the woman is alive? Do they care about her life? I don't think so.
Your assumption that they were liberal says a lot
You have no friends and I feel sorry for you.
:(
Always question your beliefs. Always choose love.
o rly?
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Yeah fuck you fascist. ACAB
it's a scientific study.. it's not an opinion.. perhaps you don't know the difference.. it's something you should have learned in school.. maybe you didn't pay attention very well.. you probably didn't think it was important, so now you make moronic statements like this, in public.. for everyone to see..
People were saying this is probably why some states stay red is because of this study. That’s what my comment was directed to.
Insulting someone is a sign of unintelligence so thanks for the peek into your brain function
i was trying to help you.. everyone can see what you said.. don't try to weasel out of it.. trying to insult me will not help you..
Go to a conservative echo chamber and try and survive, it’s fun
i am barely willing to waste my time on you
It isn’t a waste of time, it’s small growth one interaction at a time.
I do it because I’d like to potentially further a career in politics, and would like to attempt to create unity.
Just have to figure out how people’s minds work
I grew up in a conservative place. Frankly, those people and their opinions are a good part of why I’m now a socialist.
Thinking differently is for liberals. Conservatives think the same.
Look man....
Liberals are better than conservatives, but they're still brainwashed fools serving the elites
Yes but one party is actively trying to kill the other's members and when they run out of them, they'll go for the plebs that supported them. Whataboutism like your statement is what got America (and the UK for that matter) to the dire point both countries are in.
This isn't whataboutism. Whataboutism doesn't acknowledge that one is better. Whataboutism says "B may be evil, but A is just as evil".
Guess what I did? I acknowledged one was better.
I'm just saying not to be satisfied with a liberal status quo - liberalism will become conservatism when left unchallenged, just like it is already doing. I'm saying we should constantly push for more. Vote as far left as you can, of course, but don't let yourself think that the "left choice" is actually left.
What you're doing is the mirror image of whataboutism. Pointing out that A is marginally better than B, and thus concluding that the now-suddenly-binary choice has a clear good and evil.
Also, I didn't mention any parties.
Mostly because they're brought up that way, in my experience.
Sincerely,
A Former Republican Voter
Oh I'm sure some people are inherently evil like that. I didn't used to think that way, I used to believe that all people were occasionally confused but basically good and we could all find common ground to work together. Talking to enough Republican voters changed my mind on that.
But that's all kind of besides the point, this article isn't about why evil people vote for Republicans, it's about why other people don't vote.
e; Also, I'm not a liberal, I think liberals are greedy and dumb and preventing more efficient economic systems from taking root, but I'm fully willing to work with them and vote for them if it keeps Republicans out of power.
I think it’s important to point out that liberal != leftist. Also, neoliberal is critically and meaningfully different from both of those.
I am a leftist/socialist at this point. I can play the capitalism game because that’s what I grew up and established my career in, but I try to push it in more positive directions where and when I can. I vote for Democrats in US elections because our electoral system is structured to only allow us to chose between parties that are, at the moment, either neoliberal or theocratic fascist, but I want to make it clear that while I very much do not like the vast majority of the Democratic Party, I outright revile what the GOP has mutated into, and I will never vote for any Republican, in any election, at any level, for the rest of my life, specifically due to what they’ve done as a matter of public policy since I was a child, and more specifically due to how they’ve allowed themselves to be turned from low-key regressive racists to boldly chauvinistic, xenophobic, white supremacist, theocratic authoritarians. Also, fuck Regan and Nixon.
Bingo, I'm a democratic socialist who aligns with liberals to thwart conservatives (who I think are wrong about most everything but deserve a seat at the table) and fight fascists (who I do not think deserve a seat at the table because they're inherently violent and dangerous).
I like liberalism's commitment to civil rights and protecting minority populations, but I think it's too individualistic and basically just unwilling/unable to grapple with the consequences of the industrial revolution and urbanization (let alone climate change). I think capitalist markets have their place for certain things (e.g. culture, entertainment, luxury goods, etc.), but vitally important things (i.e. housing, food, clean water, healthcare, education, legal advocacy, and transportation) should be equally available to everyone and provided through democratically accountable taxpayer funded institutions. Also, I think the government should only partner with private businesses in exceptional circumstances and should generally try to do things for itself with a workforce that's like at least five times the size of what we have now. Also, private schools and home schooling should be abolished and billionaires kids and poor people's kids should be socialized and educated together.
I expect I'd struggle to get more than 5% of the vote with those positions in basically any American election, but I'm committed to democracy regardless anyway because a) I think there's always going to be disagreements among people and giving them a venue to fight over those disagreements with words and votes discourages them from utilizing more destructive and destabilizing things, b) it's just really fundamental basic fairness to me, which is kind my whole overriding thing when it comes to political or economic questions (like, one of my principle problems with capitalism (beyond the fact that it's just inherently self destructive) is it's totally undemocratic)).
Evil as a formal idea does not exist. Actions are considered evil. People commit evil acts because of ignorance, manipulation and indoctrination. Evil people can be changed with education. True “evil,” like serial killers, usually involves some chemical imbalance mentally. Or a combination of abuse, neglect and imbalance.
Yeah, I used to believe exactly this, but I've seen too many privileged and comfortable people do and argue for completely sadistic shit to hold on to that anymore. Or maybe it is true, but it just doesn't matter to me as much as it used to when the end result is innocents getting hurt.
For what it's worth, I like the world you're describing a lot more than the one I feel like I'm currently living in.
They are the same world. I still slip into that world. In 2016-2019, I hated Trump with a passion. Then I realized he is just a sad, abused and neglected kid. The sycophants around him are influenced by capitalistic greed. Capitalism is the cause of most problems in our society. It seems to easy to say that, but it’s true. Marxism and socialism aren’t the answer. But they are the first step to finding the answer.
I’m talking about education from the beginning, at an early age. Babies aren’t born evil, it is learned. I don’t disagree with you about stubbornness and hate. It’s dangerous and dehumanizing to think of them as just evil. They are victims of abuse, indoctrination and material conditions. I’m not excusing the “evil” actions, just hoping people understand they are victims of circumstances. That’s why they don’t see themselves as racist. In their world/view they are not. We have to continue to educate them. When that fails, violence becomes the only option. You can’t compromise with fascism.
Psychologist disagree with this notion. Sorry if you were abused, it’s not your fault.
I was just thinking about this the other day. Everyone who does something others might consider evil, finds a way to justify their actions so that they aren’t evil. Once you realize this, it’s hard to get mad at people when they’re only being themselves.
It's plenty easy when "people being themselves" hurt people you care about
Fair enough in those instances
Exactly. Hitler thought he was doing the right thing. From his perspective, he was righteous. Hannah Arrendt explained this. It’s “F’ed” up, but explains so much. Religion, and propaganda from movies and tv teach us that people are inherently evil. Once you realize that’s not true, you begin the journey to find out why they believe the horrible things they do. That journey can take some time. But it is worth it.