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Gun control activist and Polytechnique massacre survivor Nathalie Provost to join Mark Carney’s team: report | CityNews Montreal (montreal.citynews.ca)

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

Modern militaries are on a different level than "A well regulated Militia" or whatever other 2A BS this is.

Uh... Afghanistan would like to object?

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

And switzerland but I guess they all have military training.

[-] bowreality@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

And are armed!!

[-] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

The training is what we need to promote, for sure.

I don't have a firm enough position on gun control to want it costing us money right now.

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I would actually support mandatory basic training. As long as they don't make me cut my hair. Lol

[-] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Ditto on both points. I'm genuinely struggling with the prospect of having to shorten my beard if I joined the reserves. I've been working for years to train/develop it into a distinctive style and I'm not even there yet.

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

My hair is almost down to my ass and I wouldn't cut it for any reason lol

[-] Nils@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do you prefer the Switzerland bureaucracy than ours?

Also, not sure how that helped them with…

/Check notes on the Switzerland wars./

Afghanistan war.

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Well more like nobody dares attack switzerland because it would be impossible. Everyone has a bunker and an assault rifle and they know how to use it.

[-] Nils@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

They are also very friendly with everyone, try to stay neutral, and more important, hold the key to a lot of money.

But they did not achieve that just by giving people guns, they teach it in schools, hold shooting competitions, lots of bureaucracy, and you can be charged for improper use of your equipment. Their society is not as divided, and they also have good support for their citizens.

Looking around the world, the places that controlled gun violence well either banned or added more bureaucracy. But it appears that people prefer to go the Australian way.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

If you're talking about the Taliban, I'd argue they are a full-blown military which just wasn't attached to an internationally recognized government for ~2 decades. They had professional soldiers and equipment which would way out-class even the most intense private militia in the US.

[-] Nils@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Sorry, I don't follow, care to explain, please.

Wasn't the equipment and training they got to resist many invasions over the century, always from external groups? As far as I know, Afghani gun laws are very restrictive and bureaucratic.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

I was responding to the idea that militias with low-power guns only can't resist a foreign military.

[-] Nils@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Not really sure where you read that statement, it was not what you quoted.

But I don't know of a nation that allows civilians to buy the equipment Afghanis used to resist Russia or USA.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Not really sure where you read that statement, it was not what you quoted.

It is. It literally says "well regulated militia".

But I don't know of a nation that allows civilians to buy the equipment Afghanis used to resist Russia or USA.

Admittedly I don't know what equipment they used, so can you give examples?

[-] Nils@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, just infantry, we are talking about rocket launchers, anti-tank grenade launchers(RPG famously), LMG, manpads. Then you have things you can mount on a truck, then you have vehicles itself...

You also have support from other countries and people, sharing resources, and intelligence. You do not resist USA or Russian with just a bunch of minutemen with walmart weapons. Even harder if they do not care for civilian lives.

You might have some success disrupting some logistics in the partisan life, but not without a considerable support from modern military and allies.

well regulated militia

I might be wrong, but that person's argument seems to be about the individual owner's paper on preserving our sovereignty, independent of the calibre size.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, just infantry, we are talking about rocket launchers, anti-tank grenade launchers(RPG famously), LMG, manpads. Then you have things you can mount on a truck, then you have vehicles itself...

So admittedly I know next to nothing about this stuff, but you can make RPGs if you're dedicated. The IRA did it. IEDs will also get you pretty far.

I might be wrong, but that person's argument seems to be about the individual owner's paper on preserving our sovereignty, independent of the calibre size.

By low-power I meant things you can get legally, so not sniper rifles and shit.

You also have support from other countries and people, sharing resources, and intelligence. You do not resist USA or Russian with just a bunch of minutemen with walmart weapons. Even harder if they do not care for civilian lives.