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this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2023
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Why would you not separate personal devices from school devices? If you can afford a personal device, do so; it won't be the last time.
Because they want to play games at school.
Actually I can install things on it and only installed a better browser and office suite. I would simply prefer not to be spied on at school, and I don’t think that that is unreasonable.
Just don't use school property for things you want to be private. It works the exact same way with anything owned by any organization you may work for in the future.
I want my schoolwork to be private. I don’t want a proprietary network enabled keylogger on my computer even though I only use it for schoolwork. I am legally required to go to my school, I am legally required to use their computer, I am legally required to give up my privacy. I don’t understand why people think privacy isn’t a reasonable expectation at school. I am okay with the school having my information but they use proprietary keyloggers and network monitoring tools that can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
But unfortunately your schoolwork isn't private, it is likely considered property of the school. You will encounter this in both academia and any job you acquire basically. Work you do for them, or as a part of an assignment they hand you (schoolwork, research in university or whatever task at a job) is their property, that is something you unfortunately need to accept.
Couple that with performing it on a device that is also not yours, but 100% theirs, they are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with it. Even if you did the work on a private device, they sill still own the work and the results you produce.
By this argument the school should be allowed to install cameras in its bathroom stalls, which after all are its legal property.
What a ridiculous strawman argument
Your own argument seems to be that individuals can have no expectation of privacy that does not derive from private property rights. That's just not correct.
Tbh, they very likely have cameras pointed at the bathroom entrances at the very least, and quite possibly in common areas of the bathrooms too. You're at school. Not home. Your right to privacy is minimal at best.
This is the right attitude, my friend, for real.
I'm a teacher and have guided students down this path before. Tech rights are important, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Surveillance is not security.
Buying that cheapo Linux lappy and running it on the down-low sounds like the best bet. Don't draw attention to it and you'll be fine.
The ethics of what you use it for is up to you: choose wisely. But simply wanting privacy is not a crime.
How will they grade your work if you keep it private? Isn't the entire point of school assignments to show them to someone?
I want to show my teachers my work, but I don’t want Microsoft or Lightspeed to have it.
The moment you transfer your work to a teacher it stops being private. He/She may upload in to could or use any sort of software to grade it/organize it/check for cheating. There are privacy issues worth worrying and there are issues that are not. This is the second one.
That is a good point, but privacy was half my reason for doing this. The other is that the performance impact of all the stuff they have on there is terrible. In another comment I went into more detail about the performance implications of the software they have added / make us use. I believe they also have windows defender live scanning or whatever its called enabled which slows even the lightest apps down quite a bit.
Yeah this is exactly the way it works in the workplace.
And yet so many people store personal files on their corporate devices...
Yeah, how it is is always how it should be.
In the workplace, when you grow up (I'm not cutting you down I mean literally when you are older) you will be issued a work machine packed to the gills with network monitoring software.
Rule number one of being a saavy modern tech employee:
Don't do shit but work on your work laptop. I plug it in to an Ethernet connection, disable Bluetooth and wifi, do my job, and have the rest of my life on other devices.
A second sub-part of this is that when you are on company grounds, never connect your phone to the wifi
Don't have any expectation of privacy on a device you do not own, this applies with school & work-supplied devices.
They own the device, they set the terms.
A reasonable request, but I doubt the school's going to back down from the position of "we're allowed to monitor the hardware we own".
Honestly man use the device to submit assignments, and get yourself another laptop for everything else.