531

During Tuesday’s hearing, Gabbard told Warner that the Signal thread didn’t share any classified information but refused to share its contents, or even admit that she was on the chain.

“If it’s not classified, share the texts now,” Warner told Gabbard. “Share it with the committee. You can’t have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is our national security.”

Bitch, we can smell the bullshit 500 miles away.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 147 points 3 months ago

IANAL, but because this was done on a third party encrypted chat app, doesn't it also violate the federal records act or something? If this was any other administration they would have been launched out of a cannon for that alone, not just the breach in security.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 92 points 3 months ago

Absolutely. Not to mention that organizing a fucking battle plan on a non-government communications system is fucking insane.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

I anal too, but I think as long as they do submit the conversion to the record which they now still can if it didn't self delete, then they're covered. They can also declassify all of it and say "see?" like Trump did with the classified documents he stole for Mar a Lago.

Signal isn't on an approved list, but the federal records act really just said there will be a council headed by an administrator or whatever to make rules and collect the records. So the current administrator, which could be a vacant seat or a MAGA Hat for all I know right now, would be in charge of this, and probably just hand it over to congress.

[-] Badabinski@kbin.earth 8 points 3 months ago

The messages were set to auto-delete after a week, which imo reduces the likelihood that the messages will be recorded.

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Good thing there are screenshots by the reporter.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, but it's evidence they weren't going to be compliant and likely are not compliant in other places.

Also, I doubt it being recorded by a journalist is compliance either. The government needs to store it to be available later if needed.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

But the guy in the chat with them immediately informed them that he'd been in there, which gave them time to act

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

No, not for top secret stuff. That needs to be taken to official, secure channels.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I'm not personally into the idea of ANAL, but I like how its simultaneously not classified info, and also they've forbidden the journalist from sharing it further ...because its classified info.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I also ANAL. Those boys done fucked up but likely won't see consequences.

[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

"those boys done fucked up but"

Yes, this is ANAL

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As time goes on and I read the comments I have the nagging sense that this is a set up. When a show like this pops up from DC jorunalists, its usually a set up, or the journalists get shut down before the messaging goes out. They make games for us to play to keep us busy while inserting their messaging on the side.

  • A right leaning journalist invited to a meeting he shouldnt be in? Who then outs the people who invited him to the meeting and endangers his future access to such an unusual privelage? That sure smells off. Thats not how these things work at all. We're suposed to conclude that an unusually blessed journalist had a bout of journalistic integrity and endangered his future to make a forgiveable security point that is easy for th e public to ignore as a one time "typo" type error? No journalist covering DC is that stupid, or that self destructively principled. This isnt a watergate level event worth burning your career down over.
  • All the comments of the text.. they are concise and on point. They make it appear that these morons are well meaning professionals acting on philosophical grounds when we know theres a lot more going on than that.
  • And their overarching idea is Europe paying its fair share? The houthis say they are attacking over outrage over Israels actions and thats not mentioned, just downplayed as "sending a message". That seems to be a lede being buried. Nothing happens at that level and in that region without Israel being mentioned, unless they dont want to be mentioned.
  • Why was the rightwing journalist sitting in the meeting but key points were being made... with context included... on signal, not verbally? Thats makes no sense. Why do it on signal and why include context like that.

So who wins here?

  • The officials mentioned all end up looking capable and acting on principle and in the American peoples interests. All above board. Even trump is painted to look well meaning and acting on political principle, not acting out of angry and childish idealogy, like every single policy expert who analyzes Trump concludes, and as all of us can see with our own eyes when he speaks. He sounds like a sane statesman according to these texts.
  • Vance wins-- he is painted as powerful and influential, which is what right winger publications are taking from this. A worthy successor to lead (so is Trump sick then?) is how this tries to make it look. He even offers to silence himself if the group decides they want to pursue it. He's clearly a considerate leader who believes in democracy and has no trouble navigating conflict with deft diplomatic technique. I mean ...Come on. Thats not Vance and it doesnt match his history or the way he practices politics.
  • Putin wins as usual. Dividing Europe is a Russian goal. Killing NATO is a Russian goal. Putin wants NATO gone so he can nibble away at European territory, and he's been open about that. He wants America destroyed economically and militarily. Thats exactly whats going on now.
  • Israel wins. They'd rather not be mentioned and they prefer the thing the Houthis say they are attacking about is redirected and the military action handled by the US for them as their bag man. The Houthi attacks are suddenly all about the Houthis hurting European countries. Israel is just.. not involved at all, no sir.
  • Trump Republicans win. When Hegeth says "the other side of the ledger" he paints America as strong (right wingers love that strut) and frames the US as in direct and categorical opposition to some purposely vague 'other' powers-- on a page to itself, definitely not on a page with Russia. Its hard to be more categorical than listing us as a different page as undicslosed bad guys, which the reader is intended to immediately fills in as Russia and China. and.. maybe our own allies? Who else is on our side of the ledger, its not mentioned.

who loses?

  • Europe loses (western alliance only) is painted as a problem for the US, and impoverished freeloaders of bad character. You cant help but evaluate if this whole problem is about Europe, when you first read this. Yu ask yourself, does the speaker have any point here? The benefits America has accrued from that partnership are not mentioned or evaluated. Its just painted as the US propping up a freeloader-- thats a culture war favorite of the far right. They think that the world is either business titans and those worthy of power, and then theres the disgusting freeloading poor who grift from YOU. Did you ponder if Europe is freeloading when you read the texts? Thats exactly what the traitor MAGATS want. And they dont mention that the whole reason American military might is strong now is because of our bases and alliances.
  • Palestinians and their cause as usual, lose.

So its very possible this is a clumsy false flag, fake leak.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

This is the start of bullshit arguments intended to drown out any real conversation. It just gets worse from here.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Are you saying my doubts are an attempt to drown out conversation, or you are marking the start before others start to drown it out?

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Nah, they just aren't that smart.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yes. Unless they forwarded them in a secure way immediately. Which there's like zero chance was the plan.

this post was submitted on 25 Mar 2025
531 points (99.4% liked)

politics

24778 readers
986 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS