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Fuck China too
We (the west) helped them become who they are. We relocated all our production there because they were cheap and didn't mind throwing a bunch of poor people into the grinder. Arguably, the fastest and most efficient way for them to get out from under our thumb was authoritarian rule. Democratic rule would've been torpedoed by the US or one of its European vassals in favour of an authoritarian one we installed.
The world could've looked very different had the US not meddled in a lot of countries. Here's an entire list that probably has about 70 countries on it.
Hold on a sec, you can't get off the hook that easy, Europe
Literally the sentence above it
That sentence still makes it sound like you think the US has been unilaterally directing western colonialism, but European nations have independently taken the initiative on that quite a bit
It's ridiculing the lack of agency European countries chose to have when being pulled into various wars and missions with the US. The comment additionally starts off with "We (the west)". If Europe doesn't belong to "the west", then where do they belong to?
That sentence takes away agency from those European "vassals". The British and French empires still exist to this day. They conduct their own foreign policy and are in charge of their own internal security and territorial integrity.
The person you're responding to is absolutely right.
Funny how you are able to use hyperbole without recognising it yourself.
Well, no - they definitely don't still exist. Their marks are still left on the places they once subjugated, sure, but they definitely do not exist anymore.
Tell that to northern Ireland, Scotland, Gibraltar, French Guiana or Polynesia.
Both countries still have overseas territories all over the world. It doesn't matter how hard you, they or anyone else tries to legitimize those colonies, that's still what they are.
Why were the French using the Polynesian islands as nuclear testing grounds up through 1996? Would the French government be so lax with testing in their own country? No - that's why they did it in a colony with 200,000 brown people instead.
Sadly a better partner than the USA currently.
No. Just because the US has become worse than before and China didn't, even if the US closed in on how bad China is, that doesn't make China better than the US. More reliable, yes, but not better.
Reliability is a big part of a good trading partner. Also helps if you can be reasoned with.
Cheap (slave) labor is also good for trade I guess. And an authoritarian regime is nice for stability.
Are you talking about USA or China?
Doesn't matter.
To be fair, dictatorships are brittle, they are 100% stable up until suddenly they collapse.
Just look at assad.
China seems to be lawful neutral. Much easier to deal with than USA's current chaotic evil.
Neutral??
Lawful??
Compared to USA, yes. Their own logic and code they follow.
Head empty. No thoughts.
Doesn't help that the stupid simple DnD system can't possibly give a decent explanation of the differences between the USA and China.
But yes, the USA is currently more threatening towards Europe and Canada than China is. The USA is also significantly more chaotic/unpredictable/unreasonable/insane.
On which points do you think the current USA government is better than China's one?
Did I say that?
It seems so since you disagreed with my initial comment.
What I say is that we shouldn't trade extensively neither with China nor the US. Fuck China, fuck the US.
That's a different point. The subject was which is a better partner currently.
And the answer is they're both bad. Sometimes, even if you ask "A or B?" the answer is neither.
How do I put this: Being under China would suck, but it would still be drasticaly better as they don't exterminate people out of sheer spite.
The Uyghurs would disagree.
Unless I'm misreading your comment.
Relevant username
Wow. That's like, one of the stupidest things I've read in a while.