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As a descendent of German migrants, I’m officially dropping the “American” from “German-American.” I no longer want to be associated with this level of stupidity.
I always find this kind of silly. You were born and raised in the USA, so you're American, whether you like it or not. There's people saying they're Irish American despite 3 generations having passed, so when does it end? Am I Dutch-Norwegian because my great grandmother was Norwegian and came to The Netherlands?
No, I'm Dutch, I was born and raised here without influence of the Norwegian culture.
But in the US it is a cultural thing. Like Italian-Americans have a different culture from other Americans and from current day Italians. The US is a big place, with many different cultures and people like Europe. It's like if I said to you that you are European so stop calling yourself Dutch.
Your comparison between "European vs Dutch" and "American vs Irish-American" is fundamentally flawed.
Nationality vs ancestry are different concepts. Dutch is my current nationality, defined by citizenship, language, culture, and shared social experience. Being "Dutch-Norwegian" would mean I hold dual citizenship or were raised in both cultural contexts simultaneously. Most Americans claiming to be "Irish-American" have no citizenship, language fluency, or authentic cultural immersion in Ireland.
The cultural disconnect is stark. What Americans call "Italian-American culture" has diverged dramatically from actual Italian culture over generations. It's become a distinctly American phenomenon with superficial cultural markers rather than authentic representation. When Irish-Americans visit Ireland, locals often view them as simply American tourists because the cultural gap is so evident.
With each generation, the cultural connection weakens substantially. By the third or fourth generation, what remains is often reduced to stereotypical elements like celebrating St. Patrick's Day or eating pasta on Sundays. This selective cultural picking isn't equivalent to genuine cultural identity.
European identity framework differs fundamentally. In Europe, identity is primarily based on where you were born and raised, your language, and your lived experience – not distant ancestry.
Many Americans who claim hyphenated identities have minimal knowledge of their ancestral country's modern culture, politics, or social realities. They cling to outdated or stereotypical notions that no longer reflect the actual country.
Comparing a continental identity (European) to a national one (Dutch) is not the same as comparing a national identity (American) to a hyphenated ancestral one (Irish-American). The Netherlands exists within Europe; "Irish-American" does not represent a legitimate political or cultural subset of America in the same way.
He literally said “American culture is different from its EU origins and therefore we call it out differently”
And then you said “nah since you’re American it’s all fake as fuck you’re just once large homogenous group”
Yeah ok and you chain-smoking bullfighters need to get your Lederhosen fitted at…wait, that doesn’t make sense? EU is different places with different cultures? No wayyyyyy 🤡
The level of authority that you're speaking with about another country's culture while clearly only having a surface-level understanding is actually wild. Maybe accept that the Americans who are telling you otherwise have more knowledge and understanding of their own culture.
Do they speak a different language, have their own celebrations or social groups?
Sometimes, yes, yes.
yes. There are still people who speak an Italian dialect, there are even people in the US who speak a German dialect or even Chinese. And they have their own celebrations beside the American events. Like many Chinese-American families have been there for generations and still speak Chinese and celebrate Chinese holidays, should they stop calling themselves Chinese-American?
That's just being part of a minority no matter where you live. White Americans don't all celebrate the same things and don't all talk the same way, with some of them being nigh impossible to understand if you weren't raised around people who speak like them, yet they're just called Americans. Hell, if you were raised in the USA and have Danish parents no one will call you a Danish-American as long as you don't have an accent, but if you are of Latino origins and your family has lived on US soil since before the USA was a thing you will be called a Latin-American. It's just racism.
Nah, that's a load of bullshit, the only cultural aspect to it is racism. It's just used as a way to divide people, there's "real Americans" and then there's the rest.
There's a shit ton of black Americans that will never just be called Americans even though their family has lived on US soil much longer than the family of some of the white people who are just called Americans.
Racism, that's the word you're looking for! So well implemented that the victims keep it going without any influence from the group that "has the right" to just call itself American without any prefix.
Sprich Deutsch du …
then you aren't german at all.
Unfortunately Germany does not permit dual-nationality with a country outside the EU.
That's not true. I have a coworker who has both German and US nationality.
I second this, Ken Roczen (Pro Supercross/Motocross racer) from Germany just got US citizenship earlier this year…. Also this- Dual Citizenship in Germany
That changed on June 27, 2024. You can now have dual citizenship with any other country.
Guess I’ll have to marry my way back home 😈